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Have you ever wondered how overtones work, or why a piano sounds so much better than a synth piano?
Have you ever wondered what jackass thought of the violin?
Ever wonder, what the fuck is a hurdy-gurdy and why do metal bands like them so much?
Ask away! I'm not just going to answer classical-music related questions, but I probably know them best.
And, as a music student with a huge ego: If you have a question I don't know the answer to, I'll probably lie my ass off.
And.... GO!
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What are some good upbeat Madonna songs I can download into my ipod?
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Why does Nickelback sell so many records? Is it merely off good looks?
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What are some good upbeat Madonna songs I can download into my ipod?
There is no such thing as a good upbeat Madonna song.
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Why does Nickelback sell so many records? Is it merely off good looks?
I was wondering the same thing. They have a fairly large fanbase consisting of aging rockers. When they play at Summerfest or Ozzfest up here, the people getting into it the most are the ones who are really there for the Crue, ya know?
Also, they're bland enough to appeal to those people that don't like "Metal" but have lyrics that are offensive/racy/raunchy enough to also appeal to the fagged-out rockers of the MTV generation, along with their parents (see above argument).
And, as a distant third - good looks.
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These can't be the only two questions.
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FREE BIRD!!!!!
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FREE BIRD!!!!!
Nobody actually wants to hear free bird. Let's not kid ourselves.
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FREE BIRD!!!!!
Nobody actually wants to hear free bird. Let's not kid ourselves.
I <3 that song. I want to hear freebird.
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What makes a guitar riff 'classic'?
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Are there any Slayer fans here???
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how exactly does one get fagged-out on music?
I mean I like Queen, but not that much.
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What makes a guitar riff 'classic'?
1) It has a strong sense of melody, particularly a catchy melody
2) The song built upon the riff is also solid
3) The guitarist looks really cool when playing said riff
4) It's execution either requires a higher amount of technical skill (or it at least sounds like it does)
Are there any Slayer fans here???
Yes. The only ones I can think of off the top of my head are myself, possibly Trevelyn, possibly yourself, and legend(something). Just check out the thread "So what bands do you like?" and cntrl+f for Slayer. I'm sure a few will pop up
how exactly does one get fagged-out on music?
Fagged-out, in my use, refers to a look. It's all those dirty-hair, shitty clothed doper-looking mtv listeners that either do or desperately want to look like they do heavy drugs.
I love queen too. I just always forget about them.
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why is metal so technically good, yet so musically bad?
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why is metal so technically good, yet so musically bad?
Because not all technical music is good. The same goes for a lot of contemporary classical music. It can use the most dense, complex of harmonies, wonderful counterpoint, and be very technically challenging to the performers. None of these things make good music. It makes technical music. Good music is very subjective, but generally there is some sort of melody or something aside from pure technique. It's very hard to describe, but even a child can distinguish music that is written with real "musicality" as compared to music that's written with only technique in mind.
Good question.
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classicism vs romanticism
go!
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Classicalism is the post-Baroque period of music that most people not trained in music are most familiar with. It includes Hayden, Mozart, CPE Bach, Stamitz, early Beethoven, and late Scarlatti, to name a few composers. Classicalism in music is best represented by a slow harmonic rhythm, a very heavy emphasis on formal structure, bellecanto melodies, traditional instrument usage/color, and music that is not too musically or intellectually challenging. The predominant harmony is the dominant-tonic relationship.
Romanticism: Music started by Beethoven. Characterized by large ensembles, harmonies based on tertian root relationships, heavier unresolved dissonances, and virtuistic playing. It refers to music from the late 18th century to WWI (though some experts also say it ends with Mahler's 1st symphony)
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do you get what im scratchin at?
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Why don't some people like Rush?
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I'm pretty sure not liking tom sawyer is impossible
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do you get what im scratchin at?
Not so much. What?
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Will American Idol ever produce a singer people give a shit about?
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Why don't some people like Rush?
geddy lee is annoying
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Will American Idol ever produce a singer people give a shit about?
not through singing. Female American Idol stars will start racking up big bucks and national attention when they start opening their own porn sites.
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C'mon... there have to be more music related questions. If nothing else, I'll start stealing questions from Jammie's forum and repost them here, but I'd prefer not to do that. I need something that gives me a value here, and the only thing I've got going for me is that I know stuff about music.
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What's the best Bad Religion song?
Is Elvis alive? Why do people still like him.
Why is Micheal Bolton such a fudge packer?
Who would win in a fight between Micheal Bolton and Phil Collins?
Who would win in a fight between a younger Henry Rollins and John Basedow?
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What's the best Bad Religion song?
Is Elvis alive? Why do people still like him.
Why is Micheal Bolton such a fudge packer?
Who would win in a fight between Micheal Bolton and Phil Collins?
Who would win in a fight between a younger Henry Rollins and John Basedow?
Holy questions. I didn't expect so many all at once.
1) What's the best Bad Religion song?
To be completely honest, I never listened to individual songs. As an album, however, I do like "Stranger than Fiction."
2) Is Elivis alive? Why do people still like him?
If he's still alive, it would have to be tied up and repeatedly raped in some crazed fan's basement, because there's no way he's just been wandering around for this long. I think people like him because he still represent sex, glamor, rock & roll, rebellion, and sweet townboy all at the same time.
3) Why is Michael Bolton such a fudgepacker?
He's a middle aged white man who really, really wants to be a black soul singer. Failing at that, he has to settle for some sort of chocolate, even if it's ass chocolate.
4) Who would win in a fight between Micheal Bolton and Phil Collins?
Phil Collins. They're both pussies, but at least Phil always has a keyboard handy. Keyboards make great clubs.
5) Who would win in a fight between a younger Henry Rollins and John Basedow?
John Basedow. Henry Rollins would just get all pissed and run around in his underwear, punching shit until his hands bled. As crazy as he was, he always seemed like more of a danger to himself than anything else.
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henry rollins totally murdered his best friend.
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I've always wondered why we prefer visual art that looks like familiar things (mondrian never quite as pleasant as monet) but also prefer audio art that does not sound like familiar things. When someone makes music that uses recordings of familiar things as elements, it sounds like cheap crap (cats and dogs doing jingle bells comes to mind!).
What's up with that? Why are the sounds we find "sweet" so alien to the natural world?
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What does GZA and/ or RZA stand for?
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GZA = The leader of the Wu Tang Clan.
RZA = The chief producer of the Wu-Tang Clan.
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I knew that but what does it stand for?
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Who sang the song:
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I've always wondered why we prefer visual art that looks like familiar things (mondrian never quite as pleasant as monet) but also prefer audio art that does not sound like familiar things. When someone makes music that uses recordings of familiar things as elements, it sounds like cheap crap (cats and dogs doing jingle bells comes to mind!).
What's up with that? Why are the sounds we find "sweet" so alien to the natural world?
I actually don't agree with this. The best "art" music through time was a reflection of culture. As a result, the best classical music has deep roots in peasant music, and many composers would use folk tunes as a basis of their music, relying not only on the familiarity of the tune but all the emotions that said tune would evoke.
In the 20th century and beyond this was especially prevalent. Some of the best contemporary composers (Ives, Bartok) used only folk music as a basis for their concert music. Some composers, like John Cage, experimented with the idea of using "found sound", that is, the sound of the natural and man-made world surrounding us, and presenting it in artful ways. Other minimalist composers (and this is true for pop today, as well) gain recognition by repeating the same sounds so many times that they are fully engraved in our heads.
Though the ear may enjoy new ways of the familiar being presented, so do the eyes. If we didn't, why the fuck would people do still-lives? If I know what a bowl of fruit looks like, why would I want a picture of it? I'd want it because I may enjoy how the artist represents something I'm already familiar with. This is why music is so cyclical (trends in music tend to repeat because people long for something familiar that they can grasp), why the symphony is still the king in Europe, and why pop music uses the same harmonic structure and movement that was popular before Mozart.
In summation: no.
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What's your favorite Tupac song?
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What's your favorite Tupac song?
I'm not really big on any Tupoc song. It seems like most of his music was released posthumously. I hate pretty much all music released posthumously unless there are original recordings/manuscripts available to the public to back it up. The volume of work released posthumously makes me think it's all a big hoax, which makes me hate Tupoc in principal.
However, if that weren't the case, did he sing that one song that goes "That's just the way it is... some things will always be the same.... that's just the way it is..." coz I kinda like that song, and I thought that was him. Come to think of it, that'd be the only Tupoc song I can actually remember a refrain or catch from.
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He said in an interview he had a few albums lined up just in case anything happened to him.
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He said in an interview he had a few albums lined up just in case anything happened to him.
That interview was also posthumous.
I like hit em up.
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Tupoc is like a modern Mozart. People only started really giving a shit about him after he died.
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Tupoc is like a modern Mozart.
Don't you dare.
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Then Biggie must be Beethoven!
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Tupoc is like a modern Mozart.
Don't you dare.
Don't worry. I didn't mean in terms of skill, ingenuity, imagination, or talent. Just that his only real recognition all came posthumously.
And M- Biggie is nothing like Beethoven. Beethoven was amazingly talented and well-loved. He was not assassinated.
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I smoke cock
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Who smokes cock?
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im down with oppenis
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The best "art" music through time was a reflection of culture. As a result, the best classical music has deep roots in peasant music, and many composers would use folk tunes as a basis of their music, relying not only on the familiarity of the tune but all the emotions that said tune would evoke.
In the 20th century and beyond this was especially prevalent. Some of the best contemporary composers (Ives, Bartok) used only folk music as a basis for their concert music. Some composers, like John Cage, experimented with the idea of using "found sound", that is, the sound of the natural and man-made world surrounding us, and presenting it in artful ways. Other minimalist composers (and this is true for pop today, as well) gain recognition by repeating the same sounds so many times that they are fully engraved in our heads.
Though the ear may enjoy new ways of the familiar being presented, so do the eyes. If we didn't, why the fuck would people do still-lives? If I know what a bowl of fruit looks like, why would I want a picture of it? I'd want it because I may enjoy how the artist represents something I'm already familiar with. This is why music is so cyclical (trends in music tend to repeat because people long for something familiar that they can grasp), why the symphony is still the king in Europe, and why pop music uses the same harmonic structure and movement that was popular before Mozart.
It's been a while but I've just now read your answer. I italicized the music you mentioned in that post that does imitate real sounds, and ironically it is often accused of being unmusical. Most people prefer to listen to all of the other sorts of music that you mentioned.
I will try to phrase my question another way. When we are presented with most visual art and asked "What is that a painting/photo/sculpture of?" we can give a basic answer. We see a bowl of fruit, or a person, or a dog, or a garden, or whatever. When similarly asked "What is that a recording/composition of?", we'll answer that we hear singing, or guitars, or "the blues", or an orchestra, or a synthesizer, or whatever. These things don't exist outside of music.
If the music instead consists of a small room or silence or bugs or something of that sort, it seems to challenge us because it sounds like real things. Likewise visual art seems particularly challenging when it is purely abstract and doesn't look like anything recognizable at all.
I have a sort of anecdotal example: On the radio a while back I heard a guy describe and then play "It's Gonna Rain". When it finished he said "fascinating, but now how to turn that into music? Lets hear 'violin phase' to find out..." To him the only thing needed was to replace a recording of a man speaking with lovely, musical violins.
What do you think about all this?
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In that sense, I'd say yeah.
However: Most "art music" (classical music) does involve a heavy amount of imitating both the natural and the man-made world. Just because we don't use the actual sounds of the world doesn't mean we don't try to represent them. At least, many composers do. Not to keep talking about Bartok (whom I adore) but he wrote music not only based on the folk songs that he had been hearing his entire life, but he tried to write his music in a way that the listener would associate with folk life and the natural world, but that's totally off-subject and I'd feel more at home discussing that on an NPR broadcast.
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John Cage's 14:59 is music. It's just really fucking hard to listen to without getting mad.
WHAT THE FUCK, THIS IS JUST SILENCE!
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If Ted Bundy played the viola, who would some of his main influences be and why?
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Why is Marilyn Manson's new Album so pussified?
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Who is the shittiest actor/musician alive?
J-lo? Lohan? Master P? Jessica Simpson?
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John Cage's 14:59 is music. It's just really fucking hard to listen to without getting mad.
WHAT THE FUCK, THIS IS JUST SILENCE!
I agree. Some of John Cage's "music" is really just a big social experiment. I saw this really cool interview on him where he gave himself a certain amount of time to speak on a ton of topics. It was pretty cool, but at the same time just frustrating.
If Ted Bundy played the viola, who would some of his main influences be and why?
This is kind of an irrelevant question. Viola puts the player in the back of a listener's mind. Ted Bundy would have wanted to play violin, cello, or a solo wind instrument. If he were playing one of those, I think his main influences would have been Paganini (because he was also believed to be an amazingly talented sex fiend), Ernest Bloch (same reason), Bartok (for his balance between science, nature, the "real world" and the "educated world") and Webern (as an existentialist, he tried to find some semblance of order within a chaotic world).
Why is Marilyn Manson's new Album so pussified?
He found he couldn't make it doing shock-rock any more. He made it into the mainstream once doing it; he had to find a new niche if he wanted to stay in the mainstream. As much as he may have claimed he loved being obscured and misunderstood, I'm sure he couldn't afford the lifestyle he lives as an obscure rocker anymore. He had to get new fans, and the only way he could do so was to pander to the mainstream more than he'd previously have done.
Who is the shittiest actor/musician alive?
Paris Hilton. She's a fucking socialite with no discernible talent. At least all the others you've listed "succeeded" in some category before trying to branch out at another. Paris has failed creatively as both an actress and musician, trying to rely on her widespread fame as a rich cunt to sell movies/records.
My second would be Mr. P.
As a strange side note to that question, I think I enjoy Ice T and Ice Cube's acting more than the music they've recently put out. They've been actors for so long I can't think of them as anything else any longer.
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When is Seeed going to tour in North America?
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I'm going to have to disagree with a few things
Tupoc had tons of fame and recondition while he was still alive and Kurt Cobain has made more money then Tupoc while dead. Hell at one point he made more then Elvis.
Henry Rollins circa Slip it in could take nearly anyone who is not a trained fighter. Rollins got beat on every day by Euopean punks, he had been fighting ever since DC. He knows how to take a punch and give one. One thing in the body builders favor is that Rollins had long hair at this point, something to grab onto.
Best Bad religion song: It's A Long Way To The Promise Land.
He's a question, are chiptunes just a fad or is the style going to work it's way into more mainstream hip hop and other music?
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I'm going to have to disagree with a few things
Tupoc had tons of fame and recondition while he was still alive and Kurt Cobain has made more money then Tupoc while dead. Hell at one point he made more then Elvis.
Henry Rollins circa Slip it in could take nearly anyone who is not a trained fighter. Rollins got beat on every day by Euopean punks, he had been fighting ever since DC. He knows how to take a punch and give one. One thing in the body builders favor is that Rollins had long hair at this point, something to grab onto.
Best Bad religion song: It's A Long Way To The Promise Land.
He's a question, are chiptunes just a fad or is the style going to work it's way into more mainstream hip hop and other music?
Why don't you start your own music forum, huh? HUH?
To answer your question perfectly honestly, I have no idea. I don't follow mainstream music enough to know current styles or its latest turn in de-evolution.
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I signed up for a free Spin magazine subscription but have yet to actually read any of it. Is this advisable?
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Do you like Bad Religion?
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I signed up for a free Spin magazine subscription but have yet to actually read any of it. Is this advisable?
I try to avoid reading Spin.
Do you like Bad Religion
I know I'll get flamed for this, but not really. I think they've done some pioneering things with punk rock, they've changed what it means to be a band that speaks out on taboo subjects, and they have heavy lyrics that they're not afraid to hide through obscure vocals and random profanities. Unfortunately, they're also a pioneer of the gratuitous punk rock guitar solo, which I'm NOT a fan of, and I don't have a passion for the message in the scene that I used to.
Man I sound pretentious when I say that.
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Do you like Bad Religion
I know I'll get flamed for this, but not really. I think they've done some pioneering things with punk rock, they've changed what it means to be a band that speaks out on taboo subjects, and they have heavy lyrics that they're not afraid to hide through obscure vocals and random profanities. Unfortunately, they're also a pioneer of the gratuitous punk rock guitar solo, which I'm NOT a fan of, and I don't have a passion for the message in the scene that I used to.
Man I sound pretentious when I say that.
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The first half was pretty much all the stuff I love about Bad Religion, and I totally dig what you mean about the second half. I'm sure in a few years I'll look back at myself and wonder how I was ever so idealistic, but it's fun now.
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Same here. Everything BEFORE "guitar solo" is why I loved them. Eventually I just got bored.
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do you like Infected Mushroom?
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do you like Infected Mushroom?
I feel lame for saying so, but I've never heard them. I'll give it a whirl and let you know.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWbUve7i5AU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB-3-TVjrxU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6hL6fkJ1_k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqc8JNzniUc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQs_dv4o3Is
Infected Mushroom:
not ordinary trance and too melodic to be Dn'B. Just a fancy mix of acoustic/plugged organic and raw ripping Virus like synth from Isreal. :) <3
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you say that you are a "music student" what collage do you go to, or have gone to (im looking at berklee). so whats your main instrument sounds like your a keyboard/computer midi kinda guy, i use reason 3.0 for all my midi stuff, what bout you, or do you prefer analog synths n stuff?
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what collage do you go to
Probably the one with the most interesting pictures.
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what collage (sic) do you go to?
I am at the University of Wisconsin-Oshkosh. Yeah, I'm poor and go to a state school.
I'm actually a triple major, with a BFA in Viola, BA in Music Education (dual emphasis Instrumental and General music) and BS in Music Composition (with an emphasis on post-tonal music).
If you are willing to travel to go to school and want to major in music, I'd strongly consider:
University of Indiana (ESPECIALLY if you want to compose)(they have a conservatory)
UW-O (We have one of the only BA/BFA degree programs for Recording Technology)
Northwestern (Chicago, IL)(they have a conservatory)
Chicago College (with what's acknowledged as the best musicology program in the nation)
Minneapolis(they have a conservatory)
University of WI (Madison, WI)
Peabody (they have a conservatory)
If you want to go to school as a way to study an instrument in-depth, get performance experience, and work up to the level necessary to get your M.A., a conservatory would be one of your better bets. If you play a string instrument, find a teacher versed in the Kodaly method, preferably somebody from Eastern Europe. Many graduates of the Franz Lizst academy and the Bela Bartok conservatory are in America teaching right now, and they're probably the best pedagogs in the field.
If you want to do digital sound or production, your best bet is a technological school. If you also want the arts background and a music degree, consider UW-O. It only takes a year to be a WI resident.
If you're seriously willing to travel in order to get a good education (and can pick up languages easily), go to Poland, Romania, Hungary, or even western Russia.
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But if you go to Romania watch out for the werewolves. I hear they're terrible over there. Also they kidnap people and sell them as sex slaves.
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what collage do you go to
Probably the one with the most interesting pictures.
REINFORCEMENTS!!!11
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what collage do you go to
Probably the one with the most interesting pictures.
REINFORCEMENTS!!!11
*chish*
I need /b/lackup over
*chish*
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But if you go to Romania watch out for the werewolves. I hear they're terrible over there. Also they kidnap people and sell them as sex slaves.
and thirsty paprika saturated food! Oh! and dead guys that bite people and have shmecks with yur wives! !!
and turks on sticks! LOLZORZ
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TURKS ON STICKS! HAH! HAH Hah!
Best Vlad Dracul reference EVAR!
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TURKS ON STICKS! HAH! HAH Hah!
Best Vlad Dracul reference EVAR!
BUY ME HOAGIE!!
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Why did this feature ever die out? I actually had fun answering people's questions, especially when I was forced to do some sort of research, listening, or in-depth thought.
I DEMAND THAT YOU ASK ME QUESTIONS SOMEHOW PERTAINING TO MUSIC!
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why does Toby mac live in Jamaica ?
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Kevin is often in Jamaica because his wife is Jamaican. I'm pretty sure some of his band members are, as well.
I was completely unaware that he lives there, though. I think he just spends a lot of time down there.
http://www.stereotruth.net/2008/05/tobymac-sent-us-a-new-video-blog/ That link indicates that he took a trip there, and that was less than 2 months ago. I've seen similar articles from 2005, and some other times. Since DC Talk was together (and actively making music and doing concerts) until 2000ish, I know he was in the States then. Usually, though, when people do overseas ministries, it involves moving overseas, and the tense political climate, along with poverty and other 3rd-world issues, make it a ripe candidate for ministry opportunities.
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Why does everyone hate Gary Numan?
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Why is it that I'm mind numblingly drawn to synthesizers, but hate them when people like Britney Spears or Hannah Montana use them in their music?
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Kevin is often in Jamaica because his wife is Jamaican. I'm pretty sure some of his band members are, as well.
I was completely unaware that he lives there, though. I think he just spends a lot of time down there.
http://www.stereotruth.net/2008/05/tobymac-sent-us-a-new-video-blog/ That link indicates that he took a trip there, and that was less than 2 months ago. I've seen similar articles from 2005, and some other times. Since DC Talk was together (and actively making music and doing concerts) until 2000ish, I know he was in the States then. Usually, though, when people do overseas ministries, it involves moving overseas, and the tense political climate, along with poverty and other 3rd-world issues, make it a ripe candidate for ministry opportunities.
why did my friend tell me he lives in Jamaica
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Why does everyone hate Gary Numan?
I certainly don't hate Gary Numan. Most people that hate Gary Numan only do so because of the Family Guy episode that bashes him. He's not my favorite musician, but I think his approach to music is a lot more bold than any shock group.
Look at all the people that hate John Coltrane. I mean, few people will admit it, but trying to get someone to sit through more than 10 minutes of "Love Supreme" (the album) is like trying to perform brain surgery while being mauled by bears - it just doesn't happen. Gary Numan, just like Coltrane before him, often confuses and scares his listeners because his music is purely for his own enjoyment.
Come to think of it, becoming a musician of Gary's caliber (not of playing, but of that state of mind) is actually my ultimate goal. Now I love Gary Numan.
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Why is it that I'm mind numblingly drawn to synthesizers, but hate them when people like Britney Spears or Hannah Montana use them in their music?
I never thought of that. Maybe it's because you hear all the wasted potential for greatness?
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why did my friend tell me he lives in Jamaica
Maybe your friend is right. I'm not a big tobyMAC fan, so my answer came from 10 minutes of searching on google.
On a side note, Firefox's spellcheck actually recognizes Google but says google is incorrect.
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I'm sad that this thread died.
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Something music related?
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How can I make the "One time, at band camp" joke die? It's all I hear when people find out I play the flute :-\
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How can I make the "One time, at band camp" joke die? It's all I hear when people find out I play the flute :-\
Start a band that's a modern version of Jethro Tull.
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OK Matt, I have a music question for when you return in however many months. Why do they call it minimalist music?
People always think minimalist music is some artsy BS like 30 minutes of clicking sounds or having everyone sit in silence for 10 minutes and then someone rings a gong. Like in this thread: http://www.phonelosers.com/index.php?topic=4143.msg46346#msg46346
I saw Phillip Glass in person on Friday playing the piece often attributed to starting the minimalist music movement. There were like 70 musicians all playing at once and it was pretty loud and complicated. Whenever I hear music from big famous minimalist composers it seems pretty complex to me. The whole thing about repetition and rhythm can't be the only reason; techno seems even more repetitive and focused on rhythm to me.
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Sorry for the hiatus, kids. I had finals, then a wedding, and then I spent some time in Boston.
Zazen, sorry to break it to you, but that's basically it. To really "get" minimalism, you have to compare early minimalism (early Steve Reich, phillip glass, john adams, etc, etc) and compare it to other stuff going on in "art" music at the time. The 60's-80's were a big time for composers such as Pierre Boulez, Milton Babbit, and several other serialist and ultra-complex composers who started writing music according to algorithms with no reference whatsoever to tonality or a thought of tone centers.
Compare this, however, to something like John Adams' "aeolian harp", where the same pattern repeats endlessly with minor variations. The piece evolves incredibly slowly, which is supposed to give the music an endless, introspective, meandering quality. Ideally, you don't even hear the music develop.
By most definitions, most electronic music could be considered minimalist. It isn't because you don't typically hear techno in an "art music" setting, so nobody wants to label it that way. I do, though.
Modern minimalist music is called so because of a slow evolution, repetition over development, sparse harmonic material (using only the same 2-3 chords over and over), etc, etc. Look at a piece like Terry Riley's "In C". It's a cluster of sound, yes. But (and this is the important part), there are actually only 30 bars of music that just keep getting layered in new and interesting ways. Same thing goes for Phillip Glass - there may be 70 people playing 70 different things, but you'll find that he just keeps recycling ideas and switching them between performers, so there's little/no new material actually being introduced throughout the piece.
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The 60's-80's were a big time for composers such as Pierre Boulez, Milton Babbit, and several other serialist and ultra-complex composers who started writing music according to algorithms with no reference whatsoever to tonality or a thought of tone centers.
Compare this, however, to something like John Adams' "aeolian harp", where the same pattern repeats endlessly with minor variations. The piece evolves incredibly slowly, which is supposed to give the music an endless, introspective, meandering quality. Ideally, you don't even hear the music develop.
That makes sense. It almost seems like the thing that was missing in the early days were rules. Like In C "a piece for any number of and kind of instrument". Or Morton Feldman basically telling the performer to go ahead and do whatever the hell they want for big sections of the piece.
I am going nuts trying to find that John Adams piece. Do you have a link to any info about it? The only thing I could find that comes close is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsLA2Mz6PJ8
By most definitions, most electronic music could be considered minimalist. It isn't because you don't typically hear techno in an "art music" setting, so nobody wants to label it that way. I do, though.
Thanks for that!
Look at a piece like Terry Riley's "In C". It's a cluster of sound, yes. But (and this is the important part), there are actually only 30 bars of music that just keep getting layered in new and interesting ways. Same thing goes for Phillip Glass - there may be 70 people playing 70 different things...
Actually I only mentioned Glass because he was mentioned in that thread. He was just playing a keyboard, one of 70 other people performing In C. Including some other notable people and Terry Riley himself!
PS I printed this out and my girlfriend kept up with where we were in the concert. Nitpick, it's 53 phrases
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DAMN IT! Sorry Zazen. Aoelian Harp is Morton Feldman. It's Phrygian Gate (like the geometry term). You can understand how I'd confuse it.
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Thanks! Never heard it, DLing it now
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I only have a few questions. I use "people" a lot in these questions... By people I do not just mean the youth.
Why do people like rap? There's nothing wrong with some rap, but I'm talking about popular rap.
Why do people refuse to listen to music more than 3 years old? - This refers to the youth.
Why do people do this and why do people like it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPqslJsZxeY - Great song by The Doors fucking ruined
Why does anyone watch American Idol?
Why is it that only 1/100 people know Rush, The Doors, or TMBG?
Why do people like Britney Spears and The Jonas Brothers?
Why the hell does 99% of the people that know Rush think that their best album is Moving Pictures?
Why don't many Rush fans like Caress of Steel?
Why do people like Slipknot more than Metallica?
Why does the dictionary that the PLA uses recognize Slipknot and not Metallica?
What the hell is wrong with the radio?!
Why do they always play the shittiest of music?
When the radio plays good music, why is that the only song they ever play by that artist (e.g. The radio plays Stairway to Heaven and other songs from Led Zeppelin IV often, but never anything else by them)? I've never found a TMBG or Talking Heads song on the radio.
Why do the "Classic Rock" stations play songs from the 80s and 90s most of the time?
This seems like enough questions for now.
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Why does the dictionary that the PLA uses recognize Slipknot and not Metallica?
Where is the dictionary that the PLA uses? rbcp's house?
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Why does the dictionary that the PLA uses recognize Slipknot and not Metallica?
Where is the dictionary that the PLA uses? rbcp's house?
I'm willing to guess because 'slipknot' is an actual word. Metallica, not so much.
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I only have a few questions. I use "people" a lot in these questions... By people I do not just mean the youth.
Why do you like nothing but oldies and hate anything that's new? There's absolutely nothing wrong with today's music. You shouldn't care so much that other people like different things than you do.
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Oh, Snap!
I'm not going to answer all of your questions, but I can tell you something about the longevity of music. New music is so oversaturated on the radio that most listeners grow quickly sick of it. It gets oversaturated because popular songs sell ad space - it's a basic business model.
I see nothing wrong with modern music. I mean, I'm not crazy about some new bands, but I'm also not crazy about some old bands, either.
Metallica stopped being original fairly quickly. Slipknot, though maybe not as listener friendly, did something that few bands in the mainstream did - they were completely inaccessible, and that was pretty sweet.
Adaptations of old music into new music is 1 part paying tribute and 1 part latching onto another group's success. Most major-label recording artists are asked/told by their agent or recording company which covers/tributes/adaptations they're going to make.
More than 1/100 people know who Rush and the Doors are. Why do only 1/100 people know who Gustav Mahler is? Get off your high horse there, chief.
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More than 1/100 people know who Rush and the Doors are. Why do only 1/100 people know who Gustav Mahler is? Get off your high horse there, chief.
Obviously that was an exaggeration, but that's just how it seems to me sometimes, captain.
Why do you like nothing but oldies and hate anything that's new? There's absolutely nothing wrong with today's music.
I like some newish stuff, such as CAKE, Social Distortion, and Franz Ferdinand.
You shouldn't care so much that other people like different things than you do.
I just hate it when people blast the stupidest crap everywhere.
They blast it in their car, on the sidewalk, and in their garage.
They also play the shitty music in stores.
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I just hate it when people blast the stupidest crap everywhere.
They blast it in their car, on the sidewalk, and in their garage.
They also play the shitty music in stores.
You should try never leaving your house. It works for me!
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I just hate it when people blast the stupidest crap everywhere.
They blast it in their car, on the sidewalk, and in their garage.
They also play the shitty music in stores.
Take a look at some top 40 hit lists from the 60s and 70s. There you'll find some stuff that you like and a lot of genuine crap that you'll hate. And people bitched and moaned because there was so much crappy pop music on the radio, blasting everywhere.
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I just hate it when people blast the stupidest crap everywhere.
They blast it in their car, on the sidewalk, and in their garage.
They also play the shitty music in stores.
You should try never leaving your house. It works for me!
I'll have to try that. :)
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Take a look at some top 40 hit lists from the 60s and 70s. There you'll find some stuff that you like and a lot of genuine crap that you'll hate. And people bitched and moaned because there was so much crappy pop music on the radio, blasting everywhere.
And the crappy music of today is awesome if you're going by 1960's/1970's standards. Their crappy stuff was awful. We always think music of the past was amazing because we only remember the good stuff.
And why do people listen to Britney Spears? It's because her songs are great. So are her videos. She's put out consistently awesome music for a decade now, starting with her very first hit. Britney is one of the few people I would bother to see in concert. I don't care that she's a robot and doesn't write her own music or that she's trailer trash. As an entertainer, she's great and that's all that matters. I have every song Britney Spears has ever done and absolutely nothing by Rush. Neener neener!
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Take a look at some top 40 hit lists from the 60s and 70s. There you'll find some stuff that you like and a lot of genuine crap that you'll hate. And people bitched and moaned because there was so much crappy pop music on the radio, blasting everywhere.
And the crappy music of today is awesome if you're going by 1960's/1970's standards. Their crappy stuff was awful. We always think music of the past was amazing because we only remember the good stuff.
And why do people listen to Britney Spears? It's because her songs are great. So are her videos. She's put out consistently awesome music for a decade now, starting with her very first hit. Britney is one of the few people I would bother to see in concert. I don't care that she's a robot and doesn't write her own music or that she's trailer trash. As an entertainer, she's great and that's all that matters. I have every song Britney Spears has ever done and absolutely nothing by Rush. Neener neener!
Wtf? are you joking?
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And why do people listen to Britney Spears? It's because her songs are great. So are her videos. She's put out consistently awesome music for a decade now, starting with her very first hit. Britney is one of the few people I would bother to see in concert. I don't care that she's a robot and doesn't write her own music or that she's trailer trash. As an entertainer, she's great and that's all that matters. I have every song Britney Spears has ever done and absolutely nothing by Rush. Neener neener!
Shenanigans.
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Ask me more questions so I can shamelessly rip them off and use them on my show.
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i am assuming (hoping) that this decade '10s will bring some new good music...
'70s had good music
'80s not that much (perhaps with some exceptions)
'90s had great music
'00s not that much
so i assume with the above trends that '10s should have some great music.. what do you think?
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Question featured on Matt GSX Has Better Taste in Music Than You #2
Thanks, nyphonejacks!
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I like My Chemical Romance because they're a great Queen rip off band. Why does everyone else seem to hate them? Are there any other bands that get away with blatantly stealing from Queen?
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Dear Matt Goatsex,
Why aren't there any good bands anymore? I'm sick of pop-music that isn't interesting. Tell me what went wrong.
Yours,
Monsieur Peanut
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there's lots of good music.. you just have to look for it
as for there being no good pop music, i'd agree there... pop music is a lost cause at this point
there are so many people making music now- its both a good and a bad thing, but its also opened up a lot more options in what is available and different, interesting music.. just gotta find the people that know what they're doing and those people usually aren't the ones who are marketed everywhere
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Dear Matt Goatsex,
Why aren't there any good bands anymore? I'm sick of pop-music that isn't interesting. Tell me what went wrong.
Yours,
Monsieur Peanut
Get an invite to what.cd and quit bitching.
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I'll torrent your butthole
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http://www.phonelosers.org/stuff/butthole.torrent (http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp)
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Janelle Monae.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwnefUaKCbc&feature=relmfu