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Pranks => Revenge => Topic started by: norris on January 16, 2009, 08:21:19 AM
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Not exactly revenge, but we'll see...
So I'm in the supermarket the other day buying some fixin's for burritos and I discover a "gourmet" Salsa named "Green Mountain Gringo".
http://www.greenmountaingringo.com
I said to myself "umm...no" and placed it back down. Sorta wish I had a Sharpie with me, I would have left a message for the next Salsa shopper. heh
I'm experienced with Hispanic communities and I gotta say that "Gringo" is nowhere near a "term of endearment". Made me wonder if MY product "Wetback Willies Refried Beans" would have the same chance of making it to the supermarket shelves?
A trip through the Gringo Website reveals this little gem...
(http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/4480/gringokidswv8.gif)
...it has some definite pizazz! So cute with the little skateboard, helmet and snarky grin.
I'm exploring some fun options at this point. What I can say though is I hope they have put alot of effort and money into that brand recognition...cause I plan on having some double standard fun with it! :)
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DATS RACIS
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(http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/5915/goforthegringoxn5.jpg)
"BAG YOURSELF A BEANER?"
:)
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America = Mexico now. I thought everyone knew that. Anyhow, I'm going to Canada. Hopefully Alberta, Tachyon or Handler have room on their couch.
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This just shows you don't know shit about hispanic culture.
gringo is not automatically offensive, just as the word "jew" isn't. If Joe is Jewish, you can say "Joe is a Jew" and that is acceptable. You can say "Joe, that fucking Jew," and that changes the meaning.
The same does with gringo. It just means someone who is a non-native spanish speaker. Americans are hypersensitive and childishly fearful of some sort of SPANISH INVASION!@# (see LordNod's post, for example), so they've labeled the term as pejorative/offensive, but in the hispanic culture it spawned from, it wasn't (and for the most part still isn't) used it as a derogatory phrase. It's simply an adjective.
Since americans have started to become offended by it, it CAN be used negatively, but it's like the example of "Jew" I used above. It's context, not the word itself. And of course if someone is hispanic and has a predisposition against white people, they're going to play off that person's feeling of indignation and use it pejoratively.
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here's another example...
you can say
"Juan is a foreigner" and that's not necessarily racist.
but you can use that same phrase to make fun of Juan.
"JUAN IS A FOREIGNER!"
it's context.
I don't think some kind of american food imported to mexico being called "Non-English Speaker's Hot Dogs" would be considered racism in Mexico. That is the equivalent here. Great job buddy.
You fail.
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oh, and by the way...
the company was founded by two white people in Vermont.
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This just shows you don't know shit about hispanic culture.
gringo is not automatically offensive, just as the word "jew" isn't. If Joe is Jewish, you can say "Joe is a Jew" and that is acceptable. You can say "Joe, that fucking Jew," and that changes the meaning.
The same does with gringo. It just means someone who is a non-native spanish speaker. Americans are hypersensitive and childishly fearful of some sort of SPANISH INVASION!@# (see LordNod's post, for example), so they've labeled the term as pejorative/offensive, but in the hispanic culture it spawned from, it wasn't (and for the most part still isn't) used it as a derogatory phrase. It's simply an adjective.
Since americans have started to become offended by it, it CAN be used negatively, but it's like the example of "Jew" I used above. It's context, not the word itself. And of course if someone is hispanic and has a predisposition against white people, they're going to play off that person's feeling of indignation and use it pejoratively.
here's another example...
you can say
"Juan is a foreigner" and that's not necessarily racist.
but you can use that same phrase to make fun of Juan.
"JUAN IS A FOREIGNER!"
it's context.
I don't think some kind of american food imported to mexico being called "Non-English Speaker's Hot Dogs" would be considered racism in Mexico. That is the equivalent here. Great job buddy.
You fail.
oh, and by the way...
the company was founded by two white people in Vermont.
It stood out to me as a double-standard, and it is.
It sure didn't fail to get you wound up though.
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way to triple post... your hardcore.
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the company was founded by two white people in Vermont.
That's kinda the point
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the company was founded by two white people in Vermont.
That's kinda the point
actually, his point was that it's racist of them damn "beaners" to market a product with that name to us whitefolk, so he's going to make "wetback salsa" to show them who's boss.
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I'm not racist. I'm nationalist. There are TONS of Argentinians here. They don't speak great English but they generally speak the language well enough to get by. There are TONS of Romanians here. Most of them don't speak perfect English but they generally speak the language fairly well. My problem isn't with Mexicans. They're actually the majority here. Their kids compose 51% of our school system. My problem is with Mexicans who refuse to assimilate even the tiniest bit. I get that they have their own culture but I think if they're going to live and work in this country they should at least try to learn some of the language and customs. I'm not saying they can't have their own culture, which is what they try to argue here. I'm saying that it's common courtesy that if you're going to be living and working in another country you should at least learn the language. I'll never go to Germany to live and work. Know why? 'Cause I don't speak German and everyone there would call me an asshole if I expected them to learn English just to convenience me. I'll never go to Israel to live and work. Know why? 'Cause I don't speak a word of Hebrew. I'll never live and work in France either. Know why? 'Cause they're a bunch of cheese eating surrender monkeys that pussy out over a little air space after America saved their asses twice. Plus, I don't speak Frog. I think that it's a completely douchebag move to go into ANY COUNTRY and absolutely refuse to so much as learn the language. Imagine I move to Quebec (Legally or illegally) and never bother to learn French. Then I get an American wife who doesn't speak French either. We live and work there for years barely able to with anyone. Then we have a kid. We don't speak any French so we teach the child to speak English. Then said child gets old enough to enter kindergarten and we send him off to a school who's primary language is French and expect them to just teach it to him. Of course the kids test scores are going to be low because it's all in French and English is the only language at home. Now imagine that happening on a MASSIVE SCALE. I don't hate Mexicans. I hate anyone that moves into this country and expects me to learn their language and culture to convenience them. That's bullshit. I'm sorry if that offends you but that's just how I think. I don't think it's fair that I've spent my whole life speaking English, which is a BEAUTIFUL language, and learning it's nuances and now I'm supposed to learn Spanish? Not going to happen. Not in this lifetime.
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LordNod is right.
In Virginia (where I live) you can't get an advanced diploma if you don't pass at least 2 foreign language classes in high school. And while that may not sound so bad, keep in mind that without an advanced diploma you're pretty much screwed if you want to go to anything besides community college.
So unless a student wants a future as a Walmart employee, they have to learn a language they will never (and should never) have to use. Meanwhile, the Mexican-Americans have no problem passing these classes because they speak Spanish better than they do English.
How is that fair?
(FYI: In high school I took one semester of Spanish and averaged a C the whole time I was there. Then on the final exam, which was like 30% of a student's final grade, I ran out of time and I was less than half way done. This caused me to fail the semester. Yes, I wasted a half-year of my life learning some stupid language, and failed because I didn't speak it FAST enough. That's bullshit.)
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I'm not against learning a second language. I'm against being forced into it just because a shit ton of people decided their country sucked and moved here. If Mexico sucks so bad why the fuck are they so worried about it's customs and language? Also, they wipe their asses and throw the shitty toilet paper on the bathroom floor because they can't flush it down the toilet in Mexico. Guess what faggots? YOU'RE NOT IN FUCKING MEXICO ANYMORE!
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I'm not against learning a second language. I'm against being forced into it just because a shit ton of people decided their country sucked and moved here.
I'm not either, but when you can't get an advanced diploma without taking a second language, and you can't get into a good college without an advanced diploma, that's called being FORCED to learn it.
Also, they wipe their asses and throw the shitty toilet paper on the bathroom floor because they can't flush it down the toilet in Mexico.
Ew.
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I'm not racist. I'm nationalist.
No, you're a xenophobe. That's fucked up and you can go fuck yourself.
I say this because I knew, briefly, my great-grandparents who came to this country from Italy about a hundred years ago and faced the same kind of ignorant bullshit you're spouting. They spoke poor English and they liked to eat pasta and have Italian weddings. They had to live in an Italian ghetto without choice. This "refusal" to assimilate is a dumb myth, as if assimilation were easy and they're purposely shunning it to make life harder on themselves. Fuck you for hating my great-grandparents.
You should move this to the flame board.
PS The thing about education requirements isn't related to immigration. There IS a minor movement in education circles to re-specialize education (why should engineers have to do 2 years of totally useless gen-eds just so they seem "well rounded" at cocktail parties?). But you do the movement a disservice if you go around saying that it's because of the mexicans. Get real.
actually, his point was that it's racist of them damn "beaners" to market a product with that name to us whitefolk, so he's going to make "wetback salsa" to show them who's boss.
I got the impression he was laughing at white people using "Gringo" in a naive way. I guess it's not really important.
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THEY TOOK OUR JOBS!
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haha, man, LordNod proves to be a bigger moron every fucking day.
EVERYONE IN THE WORLD DOESN'T KNOW ENGLISH!?!? PREPOSTEROUS!
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Way to completely twist my post into something it wasn’t. You’re not the only one who’s family came over to the Western Hemisphere from Europe not speaking English either. Mine came over here from Germany to escape persecution from a bunch of ignorant fucks who wanted to kill them and perform science experiments on their corpses. Maybe you’ve heard of them. They were called Nazis. When they got here they didn’t speak a word of English but they worked their asses off and were at least able to communicate with the community around them. Not that it did much good seeing as how the area they moved to in Indiana was almost as racist as the place they had come from*. I have nothing against foreigners. America is a nation built on the backs of immigrants. My problem is with foreigners who make no attempt whatsoever to try and be part of the country they’ve moved to. There’s a guy that works at the diner across the street from the store I work at and he comes in every day. He’s Mexican and speaks poor English at best but he TRIES. I respect him for that and when he comes in he’ll bring me new stuff now and again or point at something and ask “Como se dice en Ingles?“ I don’t expect everyone in the world the speak perfect English but I don’t think it’s an unfair expectation that if they move to a country who’s predominate language is English for them to learn the language. Maybe not all of it, but at least enough where they can go into the gas station and say fifteen bucks on pump five instead of just handing over the money and pointing and repeating it over and over in their own language. I never said it was easy to assimilate. Once again though, it’s not an unfair expectation to want them to try. I don’t hate Mexicans or foreigners. My roommate, the one in the bedroom right next to mine, is Mexican. If I hated Mexicans that wouldn’t happen. My problem is with people who would move into a country and not even TRY to learn the language. Granted English probably isn’t the easiest second language to pick up but I think they should at least try. You probably don’t see much of this in your part of the country but here, where Mexicans are the majority, there are a large number of them who absolutely refuse to even try to learn English. They just expect everyone else to learn Spanish and I don’t think that’s fair. I’m not the only one either. A lot of the people of Mexican descent who were born here refer to the Mexicans who come here and don’t learn English as wetbacks and beaners. Are they xenophobic against their own people? Or is it more likely that they think it’s a fair expectation for foreigners to at least attempt to learn the language? I’m not against immigration (I am against illegal immigration though. I don’t care what country it is.) or people getting visas to live and work here. Hell, I think America should welcome more people from out of the country into our colleges. It’s important to the diversity of our nation that our students be exposed to persons of from other nations. I am against people from any country coming here and not even trying to be part of it. I’m sure you’re grand parents wanted to be part of their new country more than anything and had they been given a chance would have made every possible effort to assimilate and become proud citizens. You said they spoke poor English. Bully for them. That’s a lot more than what the people I’m talking about are doing. I’m not talking about them though. I’m talking about the reconquistadors and the people who don’t care to try to become Americans. Nobody is keeping these people from assimilating. They’re choosing not to. We’re not in the 1930’s anymore. Most American’s, including myself, aren’t against immigrants or immigration. We just don’t think we should have to completely abandon our own culture and customs to accommodate these new people. I want you to move to Italy to live and work. Don’t speak any Italian. Don’t learn any of their customs. Treat the people who have lived there their entire lives like idiots and get frustrated with them because they won’t learn English to accommodate you. Then see what they think of you. They’ll probably think you’re an asshole. As they should, because if you aren’t willing to at least try then you probably are. I never said all Mexicans are bad or anything of that nature. All I said was that there are a large number of them who refuse to assimilate either because they don’t want to or because they want to make America an extension of Mexico. If you think that’s just a paranoid delusion then you should do a little research. In Chicago on July 27, 1997, then Mexican President Ernesto Zedilla told LaRaza, "I have proudly affirmed that the Mexican nation extends beyond the territory enclosed by its borders." He announced a Mexican constitutional amendment that purports to allow Mexicans to retain their Mexican nationality even though they become U.S. citizens (which is contrary to the U.S. naturalization oath).
In summation, I’m not against immigration. I’m against people coming to this country and not even attempting to assimilate. I know a lot of immigrants from many nations. For some reason this part of Colorado is popular with them. We have several nations of Africans. There’s a FUCK TON of people from the several nations that used to make up the USSR. We have French and Portuguese and Mexican and Argentines and more. This little section of Colorado I live in is the perfect example of a melting pot and I’m happy about that. It is, and always has been, what has made this a great country. However, there are a lot of people that refuse to even try to assimilate and I don’t think that’s right. I think that it’s only fair that if you move to any country, not just America, ANY COUNTRY, that you should at least attempt to learn the language that is predominate. That’s not xenophobia. It’s common sense.
Also, the first post, the one about going to Canada. That was hyperbole. Apparently nobody was familiar with that kind of concept so it was entirely missed. Anyhow, I’m done with this thread. You can hate me and think I’m a moron if you want. The day I give a shit what anyone else thinks is the day I find a playground full of school children, scream at them “IT’S ALL YOUR FAULT!” and proceed to blow my brains out in the goriest manner possible. You’ve all missed the point of every post I’ve made in this thread so I’m not going to bother after this. Linear was right about context. It’s not what you say, it’s how you say it. Apparently none of you, including Linear was able to read the context of my posts. All you saw was “OMG DATS RAYSISTS! WTFOMGBBQ!?!?!” instead of actually reading the text that was there and seeing the point I was making. If you can’t read a post and comprehend it’s content and see it’s meaning that doesn’t make me the moron.
*When I was in fifth grade one of my aunts came to live with us for a while. She was the daughter of my mother’s father and his second wife who is Thai. She was with us for all of two weeks before she found a zebra on her locker. For those not in the know, a zebra is a racist term for someone who’s races are mixed. That same night, in the corn field across the street from the duplex we were renting at the time, a cross was burned. There were signs of overt racism everywhere. I got to see it a little more firsthand in high school. I never really told anyone I was Jewish then because it was common to hear “Mrs. So and So is a total Jew.” or “I kiked him down on the price.” in the hallways. The word Jewish was used like the word gay is used today to describe anyone or anything bad.
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Most compelling "tl;dr" ever.
I took the liberty of moving this to the Flames board:
http://www.phonelosers.com/forums/index.php?topic=3916.0
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I hate everybody
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We need a new holocaust.