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Other Stuff That Has Little To Do With PLA => Phones in the News => Topic started by: rbcp on April 12, 2006, 11:54:16 AM
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Girl makes 1,000 fake 911 calls (http://www.azcentral.com/offbeat/articles/0411teen-calls-CR.html)
BUFFALO, N.Y. - A teenage girl acknowledged making about 1,000 fake 911 calls from her cell phone, laughing, taunting and saying, "You can't catch me," police said Monday.
Police said some of the calls made this month lasted several minutes, and one lasted an hour.
The girl was charged over the weekend with two counts of misdemeanor falsely reporting an incident for allegedly making six fake 911 calls from a local church phone Saturday.
"She didn't give us a reason for doing this," Chief of Detectives Dennis Richards said. "She was very disrespectful, and she said that she was going to keep calling 911."
The girl's name was not released because she is a minor.
The case follows the arrest earlier this year of Juan Merced, who along with his wife and oldest son was accused of making nearly 1,000 fake 911 calls from his Buffalo home.
Police said this new case may be a copycat one.
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What the hell is wrong with some people? I mean, I used to this from my analog cell phone a few years ago, but this is just excessive.
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murd0c was this your sister? ;D
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1,000? Some people seriously have a very odd sense of humor.
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Don't call 911 if there isn't an emergency. I am for fun and games and prank phone calls and stuff but when lives are on the line count me out. There is, on adverage, only 3 operaters per city/county working the 911 center. It is easily tied. Trust me, you don't want to be having a heart attack or in the middle of a burglary/home invasion and the 911 lines be tied by pranksters. And also unlike most people/buisnesses they HAVE to answer the calls. Even if they know it is you they have to answer it.
As for the tracing part most 911 centers now how E911. E911 gives the exact GPS location of cell phones (within 3 yards). They also somtimes use a GPS to address feature to get the closest address from it. So if you are calling from a cell phone in your house they might even have your address.
I only called them twice in my lifetime. Once when I was 6 and didn't know about ANI and tracing. And again when I was 13, using an ANI failure from my home.
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911 can also cross reference the number you're calling from with other calls, and call #'s that were related in any way.
Basically, I called once on my crazy ex, and when i hung up on them, they called my dad's phone trying to find me.. it was intense.
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911 can also cross reference the number you're calling from with other calls, and call #'s that were related in any way.
Basically, I called once on my crazy ex, and when i hung up on them, they called my dad's phone trying to find me.. it was intense.
I wondered how it happened. From what I understand they use a "different" type of ANI. I think I will call 311 (police information) today and ask about it.
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Yeah 911 is bad form... I remember my first prank call when I was 4 or 5 I called 911 several times. The operator telling me the police would be over to get me was enough to scare me into stopping, even though it was bullshit.
911 is for beginners... but really not for anyone. Thanks for the ethics lesson z09, thar's onner amung us 'teeves!
I leet you one so now you are at -38. :)
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Yeah 911 is bad form... I remember my first prank call when I was 4 or 5 I called 911 several times. The operator telling me the police would be over to get me was enough to scare me into stopping, even though it was bullshit.
911 is for beginners... but really not for anyone. Thanks for the ethics lesson z09, thar's onner amung us 'teeves!
I leet you one so now you are at -38. :)
I thought I made myself very clear. Smite me! I wan't the lowest karma possible. My goal is to get to -100 by next Friday. Can you guys help me?
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z09: Consider yourself smoten (actually no, because I already gave you a leet an hour ago!)
Funnily* enough, in Tulsa (I think all of oklahoma actually) there is no way to triangulate cell signal! They had a situation where someone called 911 reporting that they had been shot and left in a house. They stayed on the line but stopped talking after about ten minutes, the phone went dead after a few hours. They actually had police and fire trucks driving around the city so that they might possibly hear the sirens on the cell -- but of course they didn't. Probably wasn't a prank, but I don't think they ever found the guy.
*not haha funny, more like hmmm funny
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They can get an exact address within 2 feet here from cell phones.
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They can get an exact address within 2 feet here from cell phones.
Only in O.C., though. In the rest of the country/world it's more like 15 feet.
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Some are within a yard in other areas. At least that's what a 911 operator told me.
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All depends on what system they are using. Some go off actual GPS units embeded in the phones, that was down to only 15M, but then the govn't decided to unlock the satelites and it came down to 5M(I think). But with most systems they just use the same triangulation methode as GPS but rather with the actual cell towers and the becon your phone give off.
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They had a whole discussion about this story, ways you could track cell phones (and how accurately), and some other stuff related to 911 calls and cell phones on Off the Hook a couple months ago, if any one is interested in digging up old shows and listening to it.
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They had a whole discussion about this story, ways you could track cell phones (and how accurately), and some other stuff related to 911 calls and cell phones on Off the Hook a couple months ago, if any one is interested in digging up old shows and listening to it.
Yeah, I remember seeing that. That was an interesting show. Immediatly after watching I called 911 and asked them where I was. She gave me my exact house address where I was making the call from. The operator didn't really mind, she understood my concern.
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Were you calling from your house line or a cell phone?
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Were you calling from your house line or a cell phone?
It was from my cell.
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Some are within a yard in other areas. At least that's what a 911 operator told me.
I think Google (http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2005-28,GGLG:en&q=gps+track+meters) would disagree with the 911 operator. It doesn't matter which area you're in. Whether you're in the middle of the Pacific, O.C., or Iraq it's all going to work the same.
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Well, considering there aren't many cell sites in the middle of the ocean, it would work a little different than if you were in an urban area.
Edit: But even in urban areas it is limited to ~3 yards, I'm not denying that.
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I think Google (http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2005-28,GGLG:en&q=gps+track+meters) would disagree with the 911 operator. It doesn't matter which area you're in. Whether you're in the middle of the Pacific, O.C., or Iraq it's all going to work the same.
I'm not talking about exact location distance, I am talking about the gps location to address system they have.
P.S. While your reading this get your PM's you have a dead link on the site :)
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Well, considering there aren't many cell sites in the middle of the ocean, it would work a little different than if you were in an urban area.
I thought we were talking about GPS, not tower triangulation. I've spent the last 15 minutes trying to find out how accurate triangulation can be using just cell phone towers. So far this is the best I can come up with:
A TDOA antenna used with an AOA array, you need only one recieve site. as long as the antennas are more than one wavelength apart. (do a google search for "fox hunting" or "hidden transmitter hunting") Then wave length of a 1800 MHZ signal is about 16cm, and at 800Mhz 37.5cm (base on the 300/f f=Frequency in MHZ). Signal strength is no longer a factor. So most to all NEW cell sites can pin point your phone withing a few hundred meters. BUT what makes cells phone so successful, in this respect is also their downfall, it that the higher the frequency the more the radio waves bounce off of nearby object (in reference to the transmitter). Which can be antenuated at the receive site and almost completely defeated with CDMA. So now we are withing a few hundred meters of the phone, which can be further reduced by kind of a PRMLP (partical read most likly propibiltiy), so shave off 25% of the places it CAN NOT BE. give or take 175 meters.
I've always heard that they can't really pinpoint anyone too good using just cell phone towers. That's why they're putting GPS into all the new cell phones. But if someone can prove me wrong on that with some fancy-looking quotes, I'd like to read about it.
This page (http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/question582.htm) claims that a single cell tower covers about a 3.3 mile radius.
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It seems I was mistaken on both what you were talking about (GPS, not tower triangulation), and the accuracy of it.
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Some are within a yard in other areas. At least that's what a 911 operator told me.
im sure the 911 operators will tell you anything to get you in bed.
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Well, considering there aren't many cell sites in the middle of the ocean, it would work a little different than if you were in an urban area.
I thought we were talking about GPS, not tower triangulation. I've spent the last 15 minutes trying to find out how accurate triangulation can be using just cell phone towers. So far this is the best I can come up with:
A TDOA antenna used with an AOA array, you need only one recieve site. as long as the antennas are more than one wavelength apart. (do a google search for "fox hunting" or "hidden transmitter hunting") Then wave length of a 1800 MHZ signal is about 16cm, and at 800Mhz 37.5cm (base on the 300/f f=Frequency in MHZ). Signal strength is no longer a factor. So most to all NEW cell sites can pin point your phone withing a few hundred meters. BUT what makes cells phone so successful, in this respect is also their downfall, it that the higher the frequency the more the radio waves bounce off of nearby object (in reference to the transmitter). Which can be antenuated at the receive site and almost completely defeated with CDMA. So now we are withing a few hundred meters of the phone, which can be further reduced by kind of a PRMLP (partical read most likly propibiltiy), so shave off 25% of the places it CAN NOT BE. give or take 175 meters.
I've always heard that they can't really pinpoint anyone too good using just cell phone towers. That's why they're putting GPS into all the new cell phones. But if someone can prove me wrong on that with some fancy-looking quotes, I'd like to read about it.
This page (http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/question582.htm) claims that a single cell tower covers about a 3.3 mile radius.
I believe that i heard the same thing when i was working with the E911 group with Sprint PCS but that was like 5 years ago.
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