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Other Stuff That Has Little To Do With PLA => General Discussions => Ask Anyone => Topic started by: not a banana on February 23, 2011, 04:57:48 PM
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I got fired from Walmart for stealing over $9000 in gift cards last month. I have to pay this back or they will take me to court, I'll have a felony, and possibly have to go to prison for up to five years. I've worked for Walmart since 2008. I'm out trying to find a new job and I cannot seem to get anything. I wonder if leaving Walmart off my resume would be a good thing. Also I have to repay them $150 a month until this is paid off. If I don't get a job, I can't pay them. If I can't pay them, I'm going to prison. I am NOT going to prison.
So I must ask, how do you just get up and move? Leaving your family and friends behind? Getting employed with a huge job gap? Living under a fake name, etc.
Thank you.
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Leaving everything behind is hard to do. Seeing how you know how to steal walmart gift cards. I would go and steal some more. that way when you leave you will not have to start completely over because there are walmarts everywhere even in china.
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It was something I could only do as an employee.
I did call my last job before Walmart to verify dates and found out I had the wrong date leaving that company.
But no, no stealing anymore gift cards.
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Personally, I am interested in what you spent the money on. Did you sell the gift cards for reduced rates? Do you just love to shop at America's superstore? So many unanswered questions...
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And how did you steal them? Were you just activating them at the register while you were a cashier? Wouldn't that be really obvious to them? How long did you get away with it?
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It was something I could only do as an employee.
I did call my last job before Walmart to verify dates and found out I had the wrong date leaving that company.
But no, no stealing anymore gift cards.
i say steal some gift cards
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Yes, I activated them at the self check out when I was watching that area. Then I had used a fake upc that worked as a coupon to make the cost of the order a penny (free might be too suspicious). Then I would pay the penny. I would put the amount of the coupon into the box with real legitimate coupons. I got away with it for 18 months. I mostly spent it on food, and necessities. I got caught up in the payday loan cycle. So I changed my phone number but they'll probably want to take me to court at some point too. So come on, help me move and disappear.
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That's crazy that it took them so long to notice it.
If you're ready to completely ditch your friends and family for a 5 - 7 years, then just do it. Move at least several states away so that if you're picked up for doing something else, they won't be likely to extradite you back to your own state. I had a warrant out for me in Illinois once and got arrested in Texas, but since I was so far away they refused to have me shipped to Illinois. Because of that, charges against me were dropped. It might all be different in your case and I could be giving you horrible advice, but that's how it worked for me. Has Wal-Mart involved the police yet?
If you plan to keep using your real name, just explain the gap in employment as time you were going to school or taking care of your dying mother or something. Or maybe you were self-employed, doing some kind of labor work. Or you could have a friend of yours pretend to be an employer and give you an awesome reference. I've done that for friends of mine and its resulted in them getting jobs. You could even set up a voicemail for a fake company and call them back with the reference yourself. I bet if you look on the internet, there is even a service like this. Like you pay so much per month and they'll give you a good fake job reference.
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I would take my chances with the law. I know of a lady that stole like 100k from handicapped people while working for Lutheran Social Services and she ended up getting like 6 months in jail and having to repay only like 20k of it. Which honestly was a pretty good deal for her. I believe the reason why she only had to repay about 20k of it is because she was bonded. I can't imagine that wal-mart doesn't have bonding insurance on it's cashiers.
I would imagine that the law has to be involved in this matter already because, who are you suppose to make payment to? The customer service counter at Wal-Mart? If they didn't make you sign anything or have you arrested when you were confronted with the theft they might be just trying to scare you into paying. Of course I could be completely wrong on all my speculation and you could end up going to prison for 5 years and getting raped daily.
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Get a job teaching English in Asia. Not only does that give you a pretense for running away, so that you don't have to tell daddy you stole $9000, but hell, you'd even quickly make the money to pay off your dues. If that's what you had in mind. AND it would look great on your resume!
Maybe stealing $9000 was the start of the exciting half of your life.
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you could end up going to prison for 5 years and getting raped daily.
which you might actually enjoy...
Maybe stealing $9000 was the start of the exciting half of your life.
indeed....
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Yes, I filled out a civil demand paper admitting to having taken that much money. I have to mail payments in to their loss prevention department in Missouri.
Perhaps they noticed sooner and was just waiting for the amount to add up. The weird thing is that since then (beginning of January) they've let go about half the cashiers that were up there. I know all of them couldn't have been stealing. I think they're trying to cut costs. I really wasn't costing the store any money, only the manufacturers. It was steal wrong, I know.
The regional loss prevention coordinator said she was shocked it took them that long to catch on to what I was doing. I think a coworker probably suspected something and reported me, because I was using the gift cards at the store I worked at. I did not use my discount card with them, so perhaps they were suspicious of me making purchases without that as well. When I got fired they wanted me to turn in that discount card. I gave them my wife's and told them I lost mine. Actually, I'm keeping it as a souvenir.
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I would probably call the people you are suppose to pay and tell them your situation. Since they were nice enough to not send you to prision they may give a little extra time. Also if you plan on making a run for it does your wife know about this awesome plan? are you taking her with you?
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Yes, I filled out a civil demand paper admitting to having taken that much money. I have to mail payments in to their loss prevention department in Missouri.
A While back the local walmart was giving away free five dollar gift cards for their newly redesigned store which came in the mail. I live in an apartment and everyone just thought it was junk mail. So, I was able to dig 41 of these out of the trash. I personally don't shop at walmart. I have used about 20 of them for their 5 dollar DVDs. I will send the rest to you (and only you) if as long as you use then to pay walmart back with them.
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I got fired from Walmart for stealing over $9000 in gift cards last month.
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I got fired from Walmart for stealing over $9000 in gift cards last month.
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Every time I checked up on this thread I'd often wondered if anyone else caught that bit at all.
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I wanted to keep the amount vague in case someone from Walmart comes across this. It was a bit more than $9000. I'll scan paperwork if you guys want proof.
I think they want cash back, not their own gift cards. They did ask me in my final interview if I had any of the gift cards left. You have to understand I was doing this for 18 months or so. So it may seem high but I really did get away with it (for a while).
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Last night I thought about this long and hard, and the answer came to me in my dreams. I woke up laughing.
You have to climb to the top of the city walls and use a hangglider. There will be these intense winds that carry you to San Francisco, and you will start a new life there. There will be a couple people from earlier in your life that recognize you, but don't worry about them. Tell them some jokes, and if they are females, flirt with them. One of them will help you escape to the next city after this. Your lucky numbers are 3 and 8.
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I wanted to keep the amount vague in case someone from Walmart comes across this. It was a bit more than $9000. I'll scan paperwork if you guys want.
I would like to see the paperwork.
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I would like to see the paperwork.
I'm pretty sure he offered to show us just to create the illusion of credible evidence. We're not actually supposed to ask to see it! If anyone's a criminal here, it's for your crimes against proper etiquette.
Don't worry, banana. I'm behind you all the way. :-* But seriously, I want you to consider my advice (http://compare.ebay.com/like/360298782920?var=lv<yp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar&rvr_id=213906451384&crlp=1_263602_309572&UA=L*F%3F&GUID=887768e212d0a47a44058645ffda5dfa&itemid=360298782920&ff4=263602_309572).
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Don't worry, banana. I'm behind you all the way. :-* But seriously, I want you to consider my advice (http://compare.ebay.com/like/360298782920?var=lv<yp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar&rvr_id=213906451384&crlp=1_263602_309572&UA=L*F%3F&GUID=887768e212d0a47a44058645ffda5dfa&itemid=360298782920&ff4=263602_309572).
does that seller accept wallmart gift cards as payment?
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I've blacked out some information because I'm slightly concerned about my privacy.
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Brad has it right, drop all contact with your former life, move several states away...like say...four or five states away. Wait around two/three years or so, call the local PD to see if you've got any wants or warrants. Fuck paying $10,000 to that place, you obviously needed that money more than they did.
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Brad has it right, drop all contact with your former life, move several states away...like say...four or five states away. Wait around two/three years or so, call the local PD to see if you've got any wants or warrants. Fuck paying $10,000 to that place, you obviously needed that money more than they did.
I can't tell if murd0c is being sarcastic or not on the 'fuck paying them' part. But it's Wal-Mart. They make bank by rolling in, offering minimum wage jobs en mass, and then violate every anti-trust option they can find.
That 10k isn't even a drop in the bucket for them. So head to a state with at least one L in it. Live there. Build a new life. Get training being someone's car jockey bitch boy. And don't make a facebook account, either. That's just retarded something awful.
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Brad has it right, drop all contact with your former life, move several states away...like say...four or five states away. Wait around two/three years or so, call the local PD to see if you've got any wants or warrants. Fuck paying $10,000 to that place, you obviously needed that money more than they did.
I can't tell if murd0c is being sarcastic or not on the 'fuck paying them' part. But it's Wal-Mart. They make bank by rolling in, offering minimum wage jobs en mass, and then violate every anti-trust option they can find.
That 10k isn't even a drop in the bucket for them. So head to a state with at least one L in it. Live there. Build a new life. Get training being someone's car jockey bitch boy. And don't make a facebook account, either. That's just retarded something awful.
I'm not being sarcastic, there are plenty of ways to drop off the face of the planet, people do it all the goddamn time. Usually it's not for stealing $10,000 of Wal-Mart giftcards, usually it's for murder or drug offenses. You got any money? You're going to need it for wherever you're going? How about a car, or a decent way to get where you're going (train, bus, but no air travel) Plan everything out as extensively as you can, then make your get away.
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does that seller accept wallmart gift cards as payment?
I sent him a message to ask.
Dear ravensports,
would you accept Wal-mart gift cards as payment? I have a lot (+/- $9000). I see that you accept eBay giftcards, they are probably kind of the same.
This was his response:
Dear XXXXX,
Hi! How much total spendable value (USD) in Wal-Mart gift cards are you proposing to trade for this hang glider + shipping? I am open to the idea, but I would like to know more. I'm guessing that I would end up re-selling much or most of the value on the gift cards...
Brad Kushner, Pres.
Raven Hang Gliding, Inc.
(262)9X3-8XX0 cell
XXXXXX@hanggliding.com
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I spent the gift cards already.
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At any rate, I'm still somewhat furrow-browed on this one. Wal-mart is known for being crazy sons of bitches when it comes to prosecuting shoplifters. I googled some news articles of Wal-mart employee theft, and people are getting prosecuted (http://starbeacon.com/local/x343695831/Wal-Mart-employee-charged-with-grand-theft-for-stealing-gift-cards) for $500 and less.
So why are they doing this extra-judicially?
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do you still have a copy of the fake coupon you used? Also what state do you live in? They might willling to extradite you for 11k.
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At any rate, I'm still somewhat furrow-browed on this one. Wal-mart is known for being crazy sons of bitches when it comes to prosecuting shoplifters. I googled some news articles of Wal-mart employee theft, and people are getting prosecuted (http://starbeacon.com/local/x343695831/Wal-Mart-employee-charged-with-grand-theft-for-stealing-gift-cards) for $500 and less.
So why are they doing this extra-judicially?
Sounds like that gal will get off with a slap on the wrist; a fine and a small probation time at most. Maybe a week in jail if she's super-unlucky.
That's why it's important to put as much distance from the scene of the crime and where you are. Got relatives that live far away? Tell them you'd love to come visit them for a bit, then find a cheap place to stay, a shitty job and just look nervously over your shoulder for the next several years. It'll become normal after a while.
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No, they acted like during the interview that I was keying it in manually. She very specifically said "When was the first time you keyed in a coupon that you didn't have?" I live in Texas. My mother in law lives in Illinois, but we'd have to get rid of the cats. My wife doesn't want to get rid of them. Yes I noticed on the bottom that it says they can still take me to court even if I do pay them, and I would not put it past them. They want just to get their money out of me and then get their "revenge".
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I'm not being sarcastic, there are plenty of ways to drop off the face of the planet, people do it all the goddamn time. Usually it's not for stealing $10,000 of Wal-Mart giftcards, usually it's for murder or drug offenses. You got any money? You're going to need it for wherever you're going? How about a car, or a decent way to get where you're going (train, bus, but no air travel) Plan everything out as extensively as you can, then make your get away.
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no car. i live in dallas, so i've train and bus.
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I am giving you a leet point for not being a liar, then tomorrow I am giving you a lame point for not thinking of a way to do this without having the huge glowing neon finger pointing at you when they realized something was wrong. I feel that they are not prosecuting you because they are ashamed that they were taken that easily. They want to keep it hush hush so other employees dont get the same idea BUT IMPROVE ON IT.
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I feel that they are not prosecuting you because they are ashamed that they were taken that easily. They want to keep it hush hush so other employees dont get the same idea BUT IMPROVE ON IT.
That was my inkling. Unlike the other gift card scams I saw described, this one seems much harder to circumvent. It's interesting if they weren't ready to prosecute you even when they thought you were doing it differently.
I looked into 'walmart employee coupon theft' and found way in the back a single report (http://www.carthagepress.com/lifestyle/x1876486316/Employee-accused-of-giving-away-12K-in-unauthorized-discounts) dealing with theft by coupons, although she was using unauthorized coupons, which is just stupid. There was, however, a couple pages back, a book on organizational behavior (http://books.google.com/books?id=sghB48ZbruwC&lpg=PA151&ots=IrIEOhf7jq&dq=walmart%20employee%20theft%20coupon&pg=PA151#v=onepage&q=coupons&f=false) which mentions on pages 151-152 that during a single promotional campaign, 12.5% of Wal-mart employees engaged in this scam, costing Wal-mart $700,000! The only other references to 'coupon fraud' were in studies, such as the book above.
Clearly, Wal-mart doesn't want this kind of scam to be any more widespread than it is. I think they got no way to fix it.
Next time you're talking to your Wal-mart lady, mention that the biggest paper in your area is doing a big report on growing employee theft, and somehow they got your name and they want you to explain how you did your ditty. See how she reacts to that.
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So I wondered how hard it was to get a job at Wal-Mart. I put in an application on Sunday and got a call on Monday for an interview. I guess it isn't that hard and well hopefully I can get hired only to get fired for whatever random shit people can convince me to do while working.
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I recommend watching Empire Records for inspiration in your time of desperate need. Have a house party, invite frats and college sorority girls to booze it up and charge $20/person.. all you have to do is supply a place to hang out, some pizza and beer, and you're in the clear!
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I've blacked out some information because I'm slightly concerned about my privacy.
That proofs only that you were clever enough to steal that form and fill it out yourself :P
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You could even set up a voicemail for a fake company and call them back with the reference yourself. I bet if you look on the internet, there is even a service like this. Like you pay so much per month and they'll give you a good fake job reference.
maybe http://www.messagesplus.com/ will do this.
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You could even set up a voicemail for a fake company and call them back with the reference yourself. I bet if you look on the internet, there is even a service like this. Like you pay so much per month and they'll give you a good fake job reference.
maybe http://www.messagesplus.com/ will do this.
Around since 1922? I'm about to derail the whole thread and question this business as a whole. Have they done the same sort of work since then, or does this company just pass down through the hands of various family and stock owners and it mutates itself under the same tax file name they've been using since then? Inquiring minds want to know.
As far as vanishing, you're going to need to just ditch out on everything. Whatever fits in your vehicle, which you don't have, is better. In fact I'm 100% sure you've made friends with people who aren't in your state or any where close to your state at all. This is the age of the electron and baud, after all. If they're decent enough people, they'll give you and yours squatting room for a few months as you search for work doing whatever. I just vaguely remember something about a wife, but can't be bothered to look back through the thread again. But wifey-poo can keep searching for work with her name and the such; you're going to have to pick up the SS from a dead soldier and just ride that one to the grave: again.
But be careful with the dead-man SS. I know a few people who tried doing that for a while and found out the numbers they were using had good credit, even in death, and started to abuse the system by opening countless credit cards to the same address and they were eventually nipped in the ass for it. Federal crime level items.
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But be careful with the dead-man SS. I know a few people who tried doing that for a while and found out the numbers they were using had good credit, even in death, and started to abuse the system by opening countless credit cards to the same address and they were eventually nipped in the ass for it. Federal crime level items.
I've read that using other peoples' social security numbers to live under isn't that great of an idea these days. If you use one for work, seems like the IRS would notice as soon as your employer sends in the paperwork on you. And there's a death index now which old SSNs go into. I dunno, maybe it'd be okay for short-term employment. And if this is just for a few years, it'd probably be better to just find a live person's SSN to use.
Really, though, I don't know if your crime is big enough for them to bother looking for you outside of your own area. I still think you'd be fine if you just put at few states in between you and the state that you were busted in. Then you can just use your own identity and not have to break even more laws.
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But wifey-poo can keep searching for work with her name and the such; you're going to have to pick up the SS from a dead soldier and just ride that one to the grave: again.
Until Wal-Mart decides to involve the police when he stops paying, and the police try to contact people who might know of his whereabouts--his wife will be the first one they call. If she's using her own SSN for employment, it won't be hard to find out where she is.
So it's really a matter of whether or not they will be aggressive enough. But if Wal-mart is trying to keep this coupon thing as much under wraps as possible, they might be less than willing to pursue attention-drawing avenues.
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Well there's a chance we could go live with my wifes mother. She told us in 2008 or so we could go but then I started at walmart. Anything is bound to be better than Dallas.
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Well there's a chance we could go live with my wifes mother. She told us in 2008 or so we could go but then I started at walmart. Anything is bound to be better than Dallas.
You sound like you already know what to do.
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Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like an option. Maybe I could get away with just paying them back what I owe and it not escalating to anything else.
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Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like an option. Maybe I could get away with just paying them back what I owe and it not escalating to anything else.
You have any jobs lined up at the moment, or money squared away for such a thing? No? Well the fact is you're going to have to go into hard nosed negotiations with them until you can find a job again. Because either way the picture you painted up tells us you're going to catch a hard boot in the ass.
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1: get a job at some other major retailer in the area
2: pull the same scam at the new employer
3: pay them back with gift cards from the new employer
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Well, I have an interview at Jack in the Box on Friday.
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Well, I have an interview at Jack in the Box on Friday.
I'll call up the manager and put in a good word for you.
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*Restaurant may not actually be Jack in the Box.
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Well, I have an interview at Jack in the Box on Friday.
so is this you then? http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AuLdUZRfIOSWQ2TQbK04uWM95XNG;_ylv=3?qid=20110303180431AAxzfxb
no other reason why this might be in the phone section...
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no. That is not me.
5 minute interview. asked me if i worked fast food before. what did i think the work would consist of? what does team work mean to me? then she told me the hours (night shift!) and the pay (minimum wage!) and told me they had a few more interviews, but the manager should call me back soon for a 2nd interview. Does that sound good (normal) to you guys or am I being screwed around again?
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Getting called back for a 2nd interview is a good thing. It means the first interviewer doesn't think you're completely retarded.
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Well yeah, but I haven't been called for a 2nd interview yet. She just said the manager should call for a 2nd interview. And I'm trying to find out if they normally give two interviews or not. The good thing is that I get food for 50% off during my shift, so when I leave in the morning I can get 4 tacos for a dollar.
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Well yeah, but I haven't been called for a 2nd interview yet. She just said the manager should call for a 2nd interview. And I'm trying to find out if they normally give two interviews or not. The good thing is that I get food for 50% off during my shift, so when I leave in the morning I can get 4 tacos for a dollar.
That's why I hate working fast food any more. Considering the amount of food they throw away, and then they charge you for things they're throwing in the trash is pretty shitty. But on the up and up, if you can manage to keep this job without going crazy, you should be able to pay the bill that's been tacked on your head.
Good work on paying off an old thievery with a new job. I personally would of said fuck it and hopped the border to another state.
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Good work on paying off an old thievery with a new job. I personally would of said fuck it and hopped the border to another state.
Well, maybe if I was single... or if my mother in law had taken us in.