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Other Stuff That Has Little To Do With PLA => General Discussions => Ask Anyone => Topic started by: rbcp on March 31, 2011, 07:10:20 AM
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I got this email yesterday from my webhost:
1&1 is in receipt of a complaint regarding your domain name(s) and/or websites. We are asking that you contact the sender and resolve the matter. Please note that 1&1 Internet reserves the right to suspend service if legal action is threatened.
This is related to the Jason H. stuff that's been happening lately. He's complaining to my host because he doesn't like that we're talking about him. This is what he used to do to Heywood all the time. It seems insane that simply talking about someone is enough to have all my websites taken down.
The easiest thing for me to do would be to take down the episode of The Phone Show that Jason has a problem with and that would be the end of it. It's tempting to do that just so I don't have to deal with all the work and expense that's involved with moving my sites. But I'm going to stick this out and try to work things out with my host. As a result, most of my sites could temporarily disappear soon.
My question is this - what's a good place to host "controversial" websites that people would often complain about and try to have taken down? Maybe something in another country where they don't fear lawsuits. I'm sure hosts like that must exist somewhere.
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There's PRQ
http://www.prq.se/?intl=1
I've never used them before though and I don't know what they charge
PRQ was founded in 2004. We are a small player on the Swedish and international hosting market, which was started and is being run by Internet veterans with long experience - most of us have been online for over 10 years. We simply love the Internet and the possibilities provided by it, and our stated goal has always been to help a broad range of companies and individuals publish themselves using it. Our small size means that you always have personal contact with us and that we're very flexible - if our standard packages doesn't fit your needs, we're more than happy to provide you with one that does.
Despite our small size, we have a very good high-capacity backbone network to provide our clients with the highest possible level of service, even during extreme events such as large DDoS attacks. This has been made possible due to careful selection of network equipment and negotiations with upstream providers to provide the best possible pricing on quality bandwidth.
We are firm believers in freedom of speech, commerce, and the right to privacy and anonymity, and this is reflected both in our terms of service and in our actual actions. Unlike most providers, we will not disable your service under any circumstances unless it's either not paid for, used for spamming, DoSing or other activities harming the network, is used for publishing very obviously illegal material like child porn, or if we're ordered to by a Swedish court. We are not sensitive to pressure in the form of legal threats (we even have our own legal staff), bad press, campaigns, organized boycotts, angry mobs, etc. We host several very controversial websites, and have a spotless track record in regard to this.
We do not require knowing your name, address, etc, although it can be advantageous to have them in certain situations (and they are handled very carefully, always stored encrypted, our personnel screened throughly for trustworthiness, and can only be accessed from two dedicated workstations who like the main server also have encrypted harddrives). Neither do we require a written contract. The only thing we need to know about you to set up the service is which e-mail address that should receive the invoices. Logging is only done to the minimal extent required for trouble-shooting in case of problems, and thus we do not have any logs whatsoever of data traffic.
PRQ is operated as a Swedish corporation, PRQ AB. We are a LIR (Local Internet Registry - members of RIPE and thus assigned IP addresses and other Internet resources directly from them). We have our own AS number, 33837.
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I just had a look at some of the "specials" which is the only place I see pricing listed, and it looks expensive.. I'm not seeing anything besides dedicated servers offered
I think its pretty jacked up that your current hosting company is even taking this seriously. Seems pretty ridiculous to me. Maybe try someone like HostGator or BlueHost.. doesn't seem likely to me that most hosts would take this guy seriously, but I guess if there's a history of this dude getting sites shut down, then maybe I'm wrong
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Wow, that host might be perfect for me. Just $10/month for their smallest package. I think I might move cactiradio.com to this, along with a new domain just for Jason.
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I've been using the HostGator "baby unlimited" plan for a bit now and no complaints, so far
I've heard BlueHost is maybe better, and I was originally going to use them, but they require a full year's payment up front and I'm a broke ass most of the time
You should be able to use these coupon codes to only pay 1 cent for your first month at HostGator.. That's what I did. There's probably coupon codes freely available via a google search for BlueHost also
HostGator Coupon Code : 1CENTCOUPONCODE
HostGator Coupon Code : 1CENTMONTH
HostGator Coupon Code : 994SAVINGS
HostGator Coupon Code : BLINKGATOR
HostGator Coupon Code : GEEKYGATOR
HostGator Coupon Code : LUCKYSTARS
I don't know if these hosts would have any issues with the slander crap or not, or whatever the dude is claiming
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Back up all your shit on you 1and1 servers, when they shut you down, you gotta pay them for your content back. They're about the worst host ever. Go with PRQ, shit, they host the pirate bay, that's pretty bulletproof.
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Go with the host that Maddox (http://www.xmission.com/products/hosting/) uses. That was immediately my first thought. If nothing else, use whoever it is that hosts 4chan.
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I just ordered the PRQ $10 package and I'm going to move cactiradio.com to that immediately. I'll see how that goes and if they're a good host, I'll get a larger package and start moving my other domains to them.
Hopefully their basic web packages will let me manage multiple domains, because their dedicated servers are way too expensive for me. I've been backing up all my MySQL databases every couple days since this started, just in case they shut me down.
I've been emailing back and forth with my host's legal department today. The lady I'm talking to is being nice about it all, but still insisting that I remove Jason's name from the TPS page. So I changed his name to J.H. instead of his full name and she seems happy with that. What will happen next, though, is that Jason will tell her that's not good enough and that I need to completely remove the episode about him and probably any other episodes containing his name. Hopefully by the time that happens, cactiradio.com will be on a new host and I'll be in the process of making a hilarious new Jason page, complete with pictures and sound files.
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By the way, keep all the host suggestions coming. PRQ looks awesome, but they might suck with their speed or downtime and I'll have to move again. I went through this a few years ago, trying host after host until I finally found 1and1.com.
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Oh, I didn't realize you were saying PRQ offered a $10/month package.. Is that listed on their website or did you get the info via email? I'm not seeing anything on their website except the dedicated hosting
If its only $10/month, I may move over to PRQ also
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Ahhh nevermind, I see it under the Web/mail/shell hosting header
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The only sucky thing about PRQ is that they don't offer as much space as I'm used to having. Currently I'm using about 3% of 3 bazillion gigs of hosting that 1&1 gives me, along with unlimited bandwidth. So I'm going to keep my smaller $20 package with them (I have two accounts with them now), just to host all of my sound files that Jason won't have a problem with. In the end I'm going to save money. So thanks, Jason!
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Yeah, I was just looking over the options and the storage space is a deal breaker for me.. I host tons of large sound files and a good amount of space is really a requirement
But that's a good idea to just host files on a different server, if the costs work out
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I've heard nearlyfreespeech.net is good in that they won't fuck around with taking your shit down. I use them, but I don't really have anything that would get complaints. They have pretty good pricing. $1/GB/month for storage and $1/GB for bandwidth and I think there's like $0.50/month in various fees and whatnot. Oh and there's a daily charge for MySQL databases. Here's their pricing estimator: https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/estimate
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I use hostgator for my sites
http://bit.ly/f9z0mM
(http://bit.ly/f9z0mM)
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Stay away from Host Big, They are Horrible. You pay for what you get with them. Webhost FAIL!
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A note to those wanting to use PRQ - they require a copy of your drivers license or passport. They also needed my name, address, SSN and phone number. I gave it all to them because I don't care, so hopefully they're not identity thieves. They say that I could choose to be anonymous for 25% more, which is still a good hosting deal. I'm a cheapskate, though, so I gave them my infoz. Below is what they emailed me regarding this.
Note: If you want to be anonymous, we must charge Swedish VAT (25%).
Otherwise we are required to get all customer information (full name,
address, phone number, VAT and/or social security number along with a copy
of your passport, if it\'s a company, we need a copy of the company
registration papers. This information will be kept along with the customer
information, it will be saved for 10 years in accordance with Swedish book
keeping law). This is a requirement from the Swedish IRS, nothing that we
can help.
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Hmm that's interesting and somewhat surprising.
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I use webhostingpad they are pretty cheap.
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I found another one that's similar to PRQ with policies to protect your content, but they offer 60 gigs of storage space for the same price.. http://a9-hosting.com (http://tinyurl.com/2g9mqh)
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I found another one that's similar to PRQ with policies to protect your content, but they offer 60 gigs of storage space for the same price.. http://a9-hosting.com (http://tinyurl.com/2g9mqh)
Wow, fuck PRQ, I'm using these guys!
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sweet deal.
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Another thing about PRQ is that they're taking FOREVER to send my account login infoz and stuff. Goddammit, PRQ, I really want to get started on all my fun new projects.
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The reason PRQ took forever was because I PayPaled the wrong person my $10 hosting fee. I'm so dumb. I guess maybe Firefox auto-corrected the name I sent it to so it was the wrong name. That's the only thing I can think of that doesn't make me seem completely retarded. Anyway, cactiradio.com is on the new host! I'm going to start working on my Jason page right now.
Now I'm wondering if he would be able to complain to my domain registrar and get them to shut down the domain because it points to so-called slanderous content about him. I'm with godaddy.com for domain hosting for cactiradio.com. He's never complained to our registrars before, so maybe that's a stupid thing to worry about. If he can, though, any ideas on what registrar wouldn't care about his legal threats? I want to be prepared with a registrar to move to if that happens.
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I honestly see no way shape or form he could complain to a registar about your domain name at all. I remember back in the 90's that some people were ahead of the curve and bought up the domain names for various states and then slapped porn all over them and charged the states shit loads of cash for each domain name. If a state government had to pay the price to a squatter when their state sites were pure porn, I wouldn't imagine Jason being able to throw a pile a shit any where in relation to a website address indicating him at all.
Far as I can tell, you're safe.
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Why don't you host you own site? you lazy, cheap, baster, that is why you're my hero.
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Why don't you host you own site? you lazy, cheap, baster, that is why you're my hero.
On what, my home connection? If I did that, he'd call up my ISP and try to get them to take down my site.
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Why don't you host you own site? you lazy, cheap, baster, that is why you're my hero.
On what, my home connection? If I did that, he'd call up my ISP and try to get them to take down my site.
I know nothing about anything. How dose your host get internet in the first place? So for example if your host doesn’t comply to this guy's complaint, his going to go to your host's ISP? Who is the person in line that is going to bitch slap this person.
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I honestly see no way shape or form he could complain to a registar about your domain name at all. I remember back in the 90's that some people were ahead of the curve and bought up the domain names for various states and then slapped porn all over them and charged the states shit loads of cash for each domain name. If a state government had to pay the price to a squatter when their state sites were pure porn, I wouldn't imagine Jason being able to throw a pile a shit any where in relation to a website address indicating him at all.
Far as I can tell, you're safe.
That was then, this is now. If the US government wants your US hosted domain taken down, they'll take it down. No due process needed. I'd suggest buying a different TLD. One that isn't hosted in the US (like .me or something). That's what Demonoid did.
BTW:
http://torrentfreak.com/u-s-government-shuts-down-84000-websites-by-mistake-110216/
http://www.dhs.gov/ynews/releases/pr_1297804574965.shtm
http://torrentfreak.com/u-s-seizes-sports-streaming-sites-in-super-bowl-crackdown-110202/
http://torrentfreak.com/us-senator-worries-domain-seizures-may-stifle-free-speech-110203/
http://pdfcast.org/download/stuff-5.pdf
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And not to mention, seeing as this guy changed his name legally, wouldn't that forfeit any claim he had to his previous name? More or less that'd be like taking the name Harry Potter and then getting pissed when someone used your previous name to link to anything. But in regards to the seizure of websites and domain names, I understood that much and that on a state level and Government level a lot has changed. But again with this simpleton of a man trying to hide the fact that he looks up kid porn in his spare time, I wouldn't imagine him having much sway over a domain name at all.
Let me reiterate my statement: I mean he, in full, shouldn't have much sway over a domain name. I know companies like Fry's have been rather large cock suckers when it came to using any sort of name relating to Fry, like french fry, for a website address.
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I think we can all agree that this guy isn't much of a threat to any company in reality.. but these days businesses don't live in reality.. if someone threatens them legally, most businesses make it their policy to appease the threat and avoid potential problems, whether its justified or not. So this guy threatening to start up some legal trouble for a webhost is probably all it takes for most hosts to not want to risk it.
Especially with larger hosts like these.. they're probably just like any other large company. They have global policies and everything goes by the policy. There's no case by case basis..
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Exactly what Jedi mind powers does this asshole have that so many different webhosts will jump through hoops just because he asks?
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...if someone threatens them legally, most businesses make it their policy to appease the threat and avoid potential problems, whether its justified or not. So this guy threatening to start up some legal trouble for a webhost is probably all it takes for most hosts to not want to risk it.
The burden of proof for "slander" (wouldn't it actually be libel in this case?) is pretty tough meet. In my experience people in such a position laugh off such threats for just that reason. Unless he has the courtroom finesse of Arnie Becker or the Donald's deep pockets, he's not meeting that burden.
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Well, he's obviously effective at what he's doing, and he's also obviously not very smart.. my experience in working for a large corporation tells me that companies tend to play it safe in this kind of situation, rather than risk a lawsuit when they don't really have anything to gain from the risk
Not that I agree, but that seems to be how it goes
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So far I haven't heard anything from Jason since I set up the fan page for him. I really love that this page exists because I'm certain that it's really upsetting him. People keep sending me new links for old Jason stuff too, for me to add to the page. Yesterday, Luvox Phreak (she used to be a PLA regular here about 10 years ago) gave me links to his current Linked-in page and says that she's going to do reference checks on him today at the places he claims to have worked at.
Jason is such a huge retard for bringing all this attention to himself. If he'd just left my host alone, we would have completely forgotten about him by now. He'd just be some guy that was talked about once on an old episode of TPS. Instead he's caused all this to happen. My fan page is slowly working it's way to the top of Google when you search for his name and will remain there forever. You win, Jason!
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I remember a decade (or less) ago you can type dumb motherfucker and websites for George Bush will be at the top. You should do the same for Jason.
Planet Wally: Pranks (http://www.gwally.com/pranks/other/0001.shtml) has instructions on how you can do this.
MIB
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I remember a decade (or less) ago you can type dumb motherfucker and websites for George Bush will be at the top. You should do the same for Jason.
Planet Wally: Pranks (http://www.gwally.com/pranks/other/0001.shtml) has instructions on how you can do this.
MIB
We did the same thing with Meatphone (NOW IN TURKEY, CHICKEN, AND KOSHER PORK FLAVORS!) a few years back. I don't think google bombing works now though. I'm pretty sure they fixed it.
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So far I haven't heard anything from Jason since I set up the fan page for him. I really love that this page exists because I'm certain that it's really upsetting him. People keep sending me new links for old Jason stuff too, for me to add to the page. Yesterday, Luvox Phreak (she used to be a PLA regular here about 10 years ago) gave me links to his current Linked-in page and says that she's going to do reference checks on him today at the places he claims to have worked at.
Jason is such a huge retard for bringing all this attention to himself. If he'd just left my host alone, we would have completely forgotten about him by now. He'd just be some guy that was talked about once on an old episode of TPS. Instead he's caused all this to happen. My fan page is slowly working it's way to the top of Google when you search for his name and will remain there forever. You win, Jason!
I'm bacckkkkkkk (LuvoxPhreak back in the day). I forgot to reference check those jobs. Been busy with studying physics for a final. I'll do them tomorrow. Ideally, it would be nice to get some lowly employee on the phone that knew him and could tell me what they really think of him
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GOOD NEWS! My J.H. fan page is #1 on the Google results for both of his names!
BAD NEWS! Here's an email I got today:
My name is J... J....... and I am writing to file a formal complaint
regarding a customer using your DNS services for the domain
'cactiradio.com'.
The customer, Brad Carter, operator of Phone Losers has created a
defamatory website about me at the url http://www.cactiradio.com/jason
which contains defamatory content about me including audio files of
recorded phone conversations of my family without their knowledge or
consent, photos of me that he obtained without my knowledge or
permission and libelous statements about me.
This person refuses to remove this content about me which has had an
affect on my personal and professional life. Therefore, this is a
request from me asking you to take immediate action and remove this
customers services pursuant to your Terms & Conditions under Acceptable
Use/Illegal Activity as cited below.
Uploading or linking to any content that violates another's right of
publicity or privacy.
Distributing hate speech, or any other content that is obscene, abusing,
which could be considered libelous and defamatory.
I am prepared to take legal action if necessary however I feel this can
be resolved in a peaceful manner between us which is what I prefer.
I ask that you keep this complaint as well as my personal contact
information confidential by not providing it to your customer as that
could cause me more harassment.
A couple of months ago I switched cactiradio.com over to a new host for reasons unrelated to Jason, so I knew this would happen eventually. I've got a couple of new hosts I'm looking into now, but I'll be switching back to PRQ if I don't find anything good. If anyone has any other good suggestions for "free speech" hosts, post them in here!
Also, HAHAHAHA, my host didn't just yank down my page like he requested AND they forwarded me his letter just like he asked them not to.
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recorded phone conversations of my family without their knowledge or
consent
so he lives in one of those states where consent of all parties is required?
http://www.rcfp.org/taping/quick.html
or is he trying to go after you based on the
Are there
additional
penalties for
disclosing or
publishing
information?
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Why'd you switch from PRQ? Just curious because I have an ongoing consideration to use them..
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Why'd you switch from PRQ? Just curious because I have an ongoing consideration to use them..
PRQ's stats system didn't work and they didn't seem to have any intention of fixing it. I also didn't like that I couldn't set up multiple domains on it. The last time Jason talked to me, he seemed to be done with the whole thing, so I figured he wouldn't notice that it moved to a new server anytime soon. It lasted nearly 2 months off of PRQ before Jason noticed and sent his letter. I'm talking to another host right now and if he doesn't work out, I'll go back to PRQ this weekend.