Author Topic: Phone Company's ANI  (Read 3965 times)

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Phone Company's ANI
« on: June 15, 2006, 04:03:59 PM »
This is mainly directed to RBCP or anyone that has Social Engeneered the telephone company:  What do you exactly do before you place the call?  By that I mean how do you cover your tracks?  Do you just cause an ANI failure or do you direct your call through another telephone company's office?

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Re: Phone Company's ANI
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2006, 08:20:06 PM »
I think calling the company in question and haveing them transfer you around would be the best bet. Try picking up "The Art of Deception" by Kevin Mitnick. It's one of the best books I've ever read.
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Re: Phone Company's ANI
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2006, 08:46:06 PM »
I think calling the company in question and haveing them transfer you around would be the best bet. Try picking up "The Art of Deception" by Kevin Mitnick. It's one of the best books I've ever read.

I just placed a hold on it at my library.  It sounded good by the reviews.

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Re: Phone Company's ANI
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2006, 06:24:39 AM »
Dude, buy the book.

Remember, the DHS can look at your library records now. If they see that you've been reading books like that, you might soon find yourself in a cell down in Git-Mo!

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Re: Phone Company's ANI
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2006, 07:27:40 AM »
I have a PDF file of that book.  It was okay.  Kevin sure babytalked us all through it and repeated himself a lot.  But I suppose that was for the benefit of the retarded corporate people buying the book.

As far as how I cover my tracks - I usually don't.  I'm lazy.  I just call their toll-free numbers direct.  They rarely notice my number.  I've been called back before, mostly by Verizon Wireless and T-Mobile.  But that's only when they suspect me of being fake.  In most cases I just get the info and that's the end of it.  Not like it's illegal.  Yet.  And sometimes it's interesting and/or beneficial to get the phone number that shows up on your caller ID when they call you back.

A couple years ago I called Bell in Canada to get some info.  I ended up getting half of the account info before the guy got suspicious of me.  Soon afterwards, my cell phone starts ringing and it's a Canadian number.  I ignore it.  He calls back and I ignore it again.  This time he leaves a message where he lectures me for nearly a minute about how I shouldn't be doing that.  Then later that evening I get a call from a completely different phone number in Canada.  It's the same Bell guy again and he leaves another  message for me, lecturing me and sounding very sad that he had to deal with me earlier in the day.  I checked the number he was calling from and it was his HOME!  The Bell guy called me from home, just to have a talk with me.  Poor guy probably lost some sleep over the incident.

Another incident from a few years ago is when a security guy from Verizon GTE called me.  I talked to him and he told me that someone from my number was calling up their offices and pretending to work there to get information.  I said, "Oh goodness gracious!  It must be somebody from my work using my cell phone without my permission!"  He warned me to keep a better eye on my cell phone because if it keeps happening, he'd have to do something about it.  Like maybe tell me to cut it out again, probably.

Oh yeah, I do have one thing that thwarts phone companies when they call me back.  My Vonage line is forwarded to a prepaid calling card number.  So when anyone calls me back, they get a message that says, "You are returning a call to a prepaid calling card..."  With Vonage, you can set the number of seconds before forwarding occurs.  So mine is set for 5 seconds.  This means i still get the caller ID of the phone company calling me back.  But if I don't pick up, they think whoever called them was calling from a prepaid calling card.

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Re: Phone Company's ANI
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2006, 10:33:18 AM »
Kevin was still under parole and closely watched, he was barly alowed to write the book on a computer. So my guess is he had to reiterate the points on how this was made to help corperations defend themselves if he wanted them to alow him to publish it

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Re: Phone Company's ANI
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2006, 11:06:43 AM »
He isn't under parole anymore. It expired quite a while ago...

http://www.wired.com/news/infostructure/0,1377,57338,00.html

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Re: Phone Company's ANI
« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2006, 12:02:29 PM »
I just placed a hold on it at my library.  It sounded good by the reviews.

...or torrent it if you're paranoid, and don't mind reading ebooks....and can live with the guilt. Oh wait, what am I talking about? You have a hard copy of the book already, right? This would just be for backup purposes.  8)

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Re: Phone Company's ANI
« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2006, 02:07:46 PM »
He isn't under parole anymore. It expired quite a while ago...

http://www.wired.com/news/infostructure/0,1377,57338,00.html

Not now, at the time he wrote his book

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Re: Phone Company's ANI
« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2006, 02:30:44 PM »
I will buy the book if it is any good.  My account info is under an Alias so I don't mind.  Poor Marvin Hoffman will through.

RBCP, you have to have the biggest balls here.  Calling the phone company without any protection.  That is problaly why you have been arrested countless times ;)  I am just now going to try it through skype, I will tell you how it goes.

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Re: Phone Company's ANI
« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2006, 04:15:27 PM »
The book is pretty damn good, I enjoyed all but the end as it is for mostly for corperations... I also enjoyed the art of intrusion as it also shows the more technical aspects of an attack

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Re: Phone Company's ANI
« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2006, 06:04:45 PM »
Oh yeah, I do have one thing that thwarts phone companies when they call me back.  My Vonage line is forwarded to a prepaid calling card number.  So when anyone calls me back, they get a message that says, "You are returning a call to a prepaid calling card..."  With Vonage, you can set the number of seconds before forwarding occurs.  So mine is set for 5 seconds.  This means i still get the caller ID of the phone company calling me back.  But if I don't pick up, they think whoever called them was calling from a prepaid calling card.
The beauty of my VoIP provider is that they allow you to set your own caller ID (at least inadvertently). Right now, I have it set to all zeros, and it appears to show up as that when I make calls. I guess they expect most people not to have their own ATAs, let alone know how to configure it.

Then again, they're not charging me for my overseas calls either. I have made four calls to a friend of mine in Japan, and not once have I been billed for any.

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Re: Phone Company's ANI
« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2006, 06:54:30 PM »
Oh yeah, I do have one thing that thwarts phone companies when they call me back.  My Vonage line is forwarded to a prepaid calling card number.  So when anyone calls me back, they get a message that says, "You are returning a call to a prepaid calling card..."  With Vonage, you can set the number of seconds before forwarding occurs.  So mine is set for 5 seconds.  This means i still get the caller ID of the phone company calling me back.  But if I don't pick up, they think whoever called them was calling from a prepaid calling card.
That's rather clever! Whhat if you forwarded your calls back to a telco number if you expect they're going to call?

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Re: Phone Company's ANI
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2007, 08:59:22 PM »
Ya, what if?