is our country turning into a fascist state?

[frog]

I believe we live in a capitalist country.

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If you can't tell that political communism and the economic mode of production known as capitalism are not the same kind of thing, you shouldn't be talking about them.

And if you don't know what the differences between communism and fascism are, or what they are by themselves, you shouldn't talk about those either.

[M-26-7]

Uhhhh...Comuminsim isn't that teh one wit Hitlwer? Dude I hate Hitlar!111!!hE LIek killed jews! one ofmy friends is a jew. Fuuck Commumuiujnism dude.

[widge]

And if you don't know what the differences between communism and fascism are, or what they are by themselves, you shouldn't talk about those either.

There is no complete definition for Fascism, only theories based on fascist rulers of previous years. Communism is Socialism with a Military influence. Everything you do is controlled by the Government, where you work, where you live, weather or not you can own a car. If you don't follow the Government the Military forces you to comply. This of course means the economy is not capitalist because there is no private ownership. Everything you think you own really belongs to the government. Capitalism means we are not Communist.

My point was there is no perfect government because the best government is one that is balanced. One side is in power, and many other sides disagrees, throwing weight onto their side of the scale. The scale will never be level, one side will constantly try to sling more junk onto their pallet until they are they are in the lead. This leads to adaptive and creative politics that will constantly evolve. By slandering and hating the political party you appose, you are contributing to this great Republic the way the founders would have wanted.

[M-26-7]

1. fas·cism      /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[fash-iz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1.   (sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

sounds like Fascism to me
2.com·mu·nism      /ˈkɒmyəˌnɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kom-yuh-niz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1.   a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.
2.   (often initial capital letter) a system of social organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party.

sounds a lot like communism
Besides a Fascism isn't so much a type of government as a way of governing.
i.e Nazis are National Socialists, but Hitler was a Fascist.

[widge]

Nationalism should be considered Fascism. The topic of this post should be settled. Our country is led my some old farts who believe history shouldn't be repeated. There's enough people in the country who support these old bastards to keep them in power. They're not fascist, the other side still have a voice. I think the problem is the other side is so radical (possibly socialist) that there's no way enough people would vote for them. At least the John Kerry, Hillary Clinton Democrats put a good check on the Republican right. Both sides are of course full of crap, it's just one side is full of mouse crap and one side is full of bull, tipping the scale to the right.

[Nod]

There were a bunch of holes you could drive a mack truck through. My favorite is that our paper money is nothing more than a "reciept" that is now worthless because it's not backed by gold and silver anymore. Here's the actual deal. If we continued to use this method inflation would make our money worth absolutely nothing.  Our money is guarenteed to the amount it says on the note because other countries agree that it's worth that amount. That's why if you take an American dollar to Holland it's still worth a hundred U.S. pennies. Also consider this. The federal reserve of gold, most famously in Fort Knox, is only so large. So it could only hold so much gold. At one point each note or coin represented a certain amount of that gold. Let's say that a gold brick is worth N. I'm trying to wing this using nothing but logic so bare with me. Now let's say that in 1900 N = $100. Keep in mind I'm just making up these numbers to explain my point. I have no idea what a gold bar was worth in 1900. That would mean that a one dollar note worth 1% of a single gold bar. That's fine, as long as you don't print more than a hundred one dollar bills per bar in the reserve. There's only one problem though, you have to print enough bills so that everyone can obtain and use them. The more bills you print the smaller the amount of gold that bill represents. As time goes on the international price of gold fluctuates causing the dollars worth to fluctuate with it. Remember that if a dollar represents a portion of a gold bar then it also represents a portion of that bars worth. So if say the price of gold bar went down to $50 then that would effectively halve the worth of the bills it was backing. This is part of the reason why we stopped using this method. Rather than have the worth of our money be subject to what gold was worth on the international market, countries (Ourselves included) decided that we would agree that eachother's notes were worth x on the market at any given time. A dollar is a dollar in America and Switzerland. Even if the dollar isn't worth as much as a Euro. Shit, I'm digressing. Back to the point. If we had to back each dollar we printed against N we would have to have massive amounts of gold in our reserves. As prices go up (inflation) and we print more money we would have to continually find and store a precious metal or something else that is generally accepted worldwide as worth something to back the money that we're printing. The government is constantly printing new bills and destroying old ones (We never get all the old ones though and we still accept a twenty from '75 as a twenty evenn though, theoretically, it should have been destroyed.)  Imagine huge warehouses full of gold, silver, and precious stones. Then imagine all the man power it would take to guard it. It just wouldn't work. I think I forgot what I was getting at. Something to do with the guy that made the video is full of shit. Anyways, CHEESE IS FUN! YAY CHOCOLATE MILK!

[amazing_ned]

My favorite is that our paper money is nothing more than a "reciept" that is now worthless because it's not backed by gold and silver anymore.

No, it is actually a bill saying you are owed that much in gold, so it is not a receipt at all, just circulating debt. But in that sense fiat paper money has the same value that gold does: as soon as people stop holding value in it and using it as such, then it is worthless. Same with gold.

[M-26-7]

Nationalism should be considered Fascism. The topic of this post should be settled. Our country is led my some old farts who believe history shouldn't be repeated. There's enough people in the country who support these old bastards to keep them in power. They're not fascist, the other side still have a voice. I think the problem is the other side is so radical (possibly socialist) that there's no way enough people would vote for them. At least the John Kerry, Hillary Clinton Democrats put a good check on the Republican right. Both sides are of course full of crap, it's just one side is full of mouse crap and one side is full of bull, tipping the scale to the right.

Your right it should be settled. I demand satisfaction and you believe history should be repeated and Jews should be tossed in the ovens again and that dueling, an old fad, should be brought forth again you won't deny me this. However I am indeed a Christian (and a pacifist) and cannot kill someone no matter what, so I'll let that inaccuracies go and pick your arguement to pieces.
Nationalism is not necessarily Fascism. If have undying love and belief in your country than are you being 'forced' by the government to do what they want? No. You do it willing and without question. Maybe people are wrong about the "old bastards" in the government, but it is everyones fault that they are in power. Honestly couldn't you have worked your ass off to get them out of power in '04, gone out there and gotten the "Nigger vote" as one '70s politician called it. (Nigger vote is a term used to discribe the generally disenfranchised and/or disenchanted voters, that usually don't vote.)
What is wrong with a little socialism, too? Franklin Roosevelt, one of our greatest presidents, was a socialist. And look what he gave us Social Sercurity, an amazing service when properly maintained. And look at Canada. Socialized medicine is a God-send for many people there. I think no one would have any quams with 'socialized medicine' if it worked right.
Finally, WHAT THE FUCK do you mean by your last sentences? You make an attempt to sound bi-partisan (what a bull-shit term, like anyone is), but it comes out not making any sense and leaving your audience with the wonderful image of a scale with bull and mouse shit on it.
In closing RBCP I ask you to either obliterate this thread or say that it will never be deleted.
Also Widge, I tip my hat to you, sir. It's been fun.

[widge]

Nationalism is not necessarily Fascism.

Fasces (a plurale tantum, from the Latin word fascis, meaning bundle[1]) symbolise summary power and jurisdiction, and/or "strength through unity."[2]

Fascism is of course an Italian word. Do you know who Mussolini is? Obviously not, he wasn't racist, he allowed Italian Jews to live in peace. Your definition or fascism is all screwed up. Your bastardized beliefs make your argument nothing more then a political turd on the inside of a pay phone handle. You got my attention for a few minutes, but you're still fecal.

Honestly couldn't you have worked your ass off to get them out of power in '04, gone out there and gotten the "Nigger vote" as one '70s politician called it.

Why would one person want to get a political party out of office? There is purpose to the checks and balances scale system.  Single handed defiance of the checks and balances system sounds more like a dictatorship to me. The side that wins is the side that has the most weight. All politicians are full of shit, not one side or the other. The current leader has pushed more shit to more people.

p.s. I'm making bumper stickers that say W08' let me know if you're interested

[M-26-7]

I know who fucking mussolini was, asshole. What I don't know is who the fuck you are. Bush has pushed more "shit", as you put it, towards to rich, elitist bastards who care nothing about the poor, the needy, those who depend on people's charity, commonly good people
But lets go back to you. Your all over the fucking place. Taking stabs at the governement, me, and liberals. You try and sound like you don't like either side, but at the end of the day you're just a Republican bastard.
W '08? Thats the most Fascist thing yet. To be elected in 2008 he would have to disobey laws and stage a coup. So why not W 4 Lyfe.
And the system of checks and balances still works if any party get kicked out, no party will ever have a perfect majority. Sounds like you don't know much about past American Politics.
Don't talk to me about Latin, here's a little sentence I conjugated, JUST FOR YOU:
Epulor in fimus et Intereo

You're an asshole, a newb, and have said nothing about PLA the whole time

[frog]

Don't talk to me about Latin, here's a little sentence I conjugated, JUST FOR YOU:
Epulor in fimus et Intereo

"I dine and die in shit"?

PLEASE, SOMEONE, CLOSE THIS MAD THREAD DOWN.

[M-26-7]

Sorry Frog it was a bit late. Latin is not my Forte.

Ever read Extreme Latin? Wish I had that now.

[amazing_ned]

Fascism is of course an Italian word. Do you know who Mussolini is? Obviously not, he wasn't racist, he allowed Italian Jews to live in peace.

All fascists are nationalists, not all nationalists are fascists. Remember that little rule

[widge]

They key to understanding fascism. Fascist leaders don't debate with opposition, they jail or murder opposition. Calling President Bush a Fascist is mindless dribble. The topic of this thread was allowed to stand, the government didn't stop you from responding to it, we are not in a fascist state.

Taking stabs at the governement, me, and liberals. You try and sound like you don't like either side, but at the end of the day you're just a Republican bastard.

I'm no Republican, I originally registered in the Green Party. Since my party can't win I went for the next logical party. Calling me a Republican only contributes to your ignorance, you have a one track mind and can't look at the larger picture. You don't see there's more then one way to solve a problem. Seriously, what are you doing in PLA?

[M-26-7]

What Am I doing at the PLA? Hmmm...hmmm.hmmm.hmmm Learning about phreaking and listening to their hilarious prank calls. What are you doing here?
Here's what PLA stands for:
Phone
Losers of
America
You have talked about phones all of two times. Get a life and quit arguing over petty matters such as this.

Oh and did I say anything about being a Democrat or even a liberal. NO. Maybe I'm a anti-federalist.