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modifying a scanner?
« on: June 24, 2006, 02:10:24 PM »
i wasnt sure where to post this, but i was wondering how to transmit using a scanner, or if you can at all...

how did you transmit when you were taking over drivethrus?

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Re: modifying a scanner?
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2006, 03:22:02 PM »
As far as I know, it would be nearly impossible to modify a scanner into a transmitter. I believe all the pranks on the last show were done with a amateur radio transmitter, correct me if I'm wrong.

There's a pretty awesome book on modifying scanners, mostly frequency adding mods, but I forgot the name. It's probably at your local library.

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Re: modifying a scanner?
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2006, 03:40:21 PM »
The equipment used on the video is a Yaseu VX7r with several modifications. Not sure what mods, go ask RijilV or something. Anything anyone tells you in this thread about modding radios, they probably got it from http://www.mods.dk. So just go right to the source.

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Re: modifying a scanner?
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2006, 08:11:18 PM »
thank you!   :)

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Re: modifying a scanner?
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2006, 01:35:48 PM »
And yeah, you can't really modify a scanner to transmit. Transmission requires a seperate um... transmitter circuit.

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Re: modifying a scanner?
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2006, 07:43:59 PM »
A few of my friends and I are interested in taking over some drive thrus near our houses, but we also want to be able to do other things, like take over peoples cordless phones.

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Re: modifying a scanner?
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2006, 07:57:11 PM »
but we also want to be able to do other things, like take over peoples cordless phones.

All you need is another cordless phone operating on the same freq.  Trust me, I have done it before ;)

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Re: modifying a scanner?
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2006, 12:13:41 PM »
Is it possible to mod a cordless phone to operate on mutiple frequencies, by installing some sort of tuner circuitry?

That might be worth investigating...

But since phones operate in a full-duplex manner (like a 2-way radio, there are two discrete channels or frequencies, one for for sending and another for receiving), you'd have to have seperate tuners for talking and listening. You'd also have to find out the send/receive frequencies of the target phone you wanted to spoof.

Actually, rather than going to all that trouble, why not just make a battery-powered cordless beige box (a.k.a. "mauve box")? I made one of those before. It's not too hard. 

You make a "field unit" out of the cordless phone's base by attaching a battery to the jack where where the AC adapter plugs in. Of course, you have to find a battery that reasonably matches the output of the AC adapter in both potential (in volts "V") and current (in milliamperes "mA"). I got the battery for my mauve box at American Science And Surplus. They have a great selection of batteries, cheap.

Once you've got the battery power all worked out, just replace the RJ-11 plug on the phone cord with some alligator clips in the usual way (the green and red wires) and you're good to go.

My mauve box is built inside a water resistant metal box and it has a "stealth box" circuit built in so it automatically cuts itself off the line if another extension is picked up. It has a battery life of over 6 hours. The handset's battery actually dies out before the field unit does. I bought a handset charger from Radio Shack for like $20 to keep it charged up since it can't plug into the base unit anymore.

The handset has an outdoors range of about 200' so it's easy to hang out and talk at a safe distance from the target TNI box. I've used it many times and never had to run from anyone. You can't put a price on security, especially when doing something illegal!

Anyway I haven't used the thing in several years now, but I think I still have it around here somewhere...
« Last Edit: June 30, 2006, 12:49:22 PM by Colonel Panic »

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Re: modifying a scanner?
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2006, 12:21:37 PM »
but we also want to be able to do other things, like take over peoples cordless phones.

All you need is another cordless phone operating on the same freq.  Trust me, I have done it before ;)

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Re: modifying a scanner?
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2006, 12:52:28 PM »
Actually, I think most 2.5 GHz cordless phones now use multi-channel switching or digital encoding to prevent eavesdropping, don't they?

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Re: modifying a scanner?
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Re: modifying a scanner?
« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2006, 07:13:04 PM »
I'm pretty sure most newer cordless phones use digital encoding and some variety of spread-spectrum radio technology to secure their communications. Or at least the better ones do.

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Re: modifying a scanner?
« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2006, 05:28:10 AM »
I've seen these scanners in radio shack. Would getting a corded model and a HUGE ass antenna, let you scan across town/s ?
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Re: modifying a scanner?
« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2006, 09:38:14 PM »
I've seen these scanners in radio shack. Would getting a corded model and a HUGE ass antenna, let you scan across town/s ?

Longer antennas don't necessarily mean better reception. It's far more important that the  antenna be the proper length for the frequencies you're working. Antennas perform at optimal efficiency when they're "tuned" to the wavelength you operate on.

Tuning means cutting or fashioning the antenna to a length that is directly proportional to the wavelength you're trying to receive or transmit, or some fraction thereof. There are full-wave antennas, half-wave, quarter-wave antennas, etc.

Probably the single most important factor in antenna performance however, is elevation. VHF and UHF frequencies' wave propagation is "line-of-sight," which means that the radio waves must have a relatively unobstrcuted path between the source and the receiver. For this reason, VHF and UHF cannot propagate very far beyond the horizion. Therefore, the higher your antenna is placed, and the more in-the-open it is, the better your receptions and transmissions will be.

For a cheap, easy-to-construct antenna for scanner and ham radio operations, you'd most likely be using a "dipole" design. Dipoles are very simple, basically just a couple pieces of copper wire cut to the proper lengths and attached to a shielded feed cable in the center to form a "T" shape.

This Wikipedia page describes dipole antennas and includes a diagram illustrating their construction as well as the formula for calculating the lengths of the elements. As you can see, these are very simple to make.

You can also make a shorter "monopole" antenna by eliminating one of the elements of the dipole and in its place soldering on a "ground plane" which consists of few square inches of 1/16" thick copper sheeting. The remaining element should be arranged in the center of the ground-plane and at a right angle to it.

If you want to operate on more than one band you'll need to have either a different antenna for each band, or a dual- or multi-band antenna. Building a multiband antenna can get rather complicated. For more detailed information on antennas including some plans for their construction, visit: http://www.antennex.com/guests.html. (You'll need to register an email addy with them before you can access any of their information).

Once you've fashioned the antenna, you want to install it in a very high place. The higher the better. An optimum situation is a point high above any other large structures in your area. The most common method for ham radio antennas is to mount them atop a tall mast or tower. Some other good, practical options are to hang it inside your attic, lay it across the roof and secure the ends or suspend it from the highest tree in your yard.

To hang the antenna in a high tree, get a roll of twine or clothesline, attach a rock or weight and throw it as high as you can over the top branches of the tree. It may take a few tries, but the idea is to loop it over the highest sturdy tree branch that you can manage, yet still allowing it to fall back within grabbing range. Then simply attach one end of the cord to your antenna element, grab the opposite end of the cord and use the branch as a pulley to hoist the antenna way up into the tree. You'll probably have to do some creative maneuvering to get the antenna properly arranged in a high tree, but it's well worth the effort if the antenna is successfully placed way up in the air.

A well-tuned antenna placed very high above its surroundings will give you the best possible reception and the best range for the wattage of your transmitter.
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Re: modifying a scanner?
« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2006, 08:10:04 AM »
thanks for the infoz!
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