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North American Union
« on: October 01, 2007, 08:43:22 AM »
The SPP is being used to user in NAU. There is going to be a huge freeway from Mexico to Canada for some hardcore NAFTA action going down. Emminent Domain Laws are going to be used to seize private property and turn it into the 3rd a fourth lanes on such a highway. Lastly our money will merge into the Amero, while not effecting CAN/USA monies so much, the peso will drag us into an economical dark age.

I have been noticeing alot of seemingly useless construction on I 29 which runs through my fair city (Fargo). Most noticebly redesigning the exits at the dieing half of the ciry (North Fargo, exit 67) as well as adding more lane a year after they just replaced the road.

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Re: North American Union
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2007, 05:49:13 PM »
You never hear about this on the news. Living with someone who needs to have the T.V. blaring constantly means I get to hear the news all the time along with what ever CSI, SVU, other acronym of choice is on. I've heard countless screaming Americans how proud they are to be in this country, how they're offended people don't respect the government and how Jena6 need to be free despite the fact that they did indeed commit violent acts. They don't deserve man 2, but they deserve some form of punishment.

Another things that makes merging all of this much easier is the follow plans for the 2008 Real I.D act that for some reason was not mentioned hide nor hair in any form of main media news. I'm not an idiot, I know those news stations are owned by someone with their own agenda and those companies are owned by someone else with their own agenda.

Keep in mind the Government will ask you for your land at first for this massive freeway. Oh, they'll play nice and say they'll give you top monetary value for your land. However, if you tell them "No, my family grew up here, my parents family and so on all lived here." they can take the land and not only kick you flat on your ass without a dime but claim that it provides better use to this nation as a whole. Who is going to care about that anyway? When and if this does make the news people will only say they were given a chance and ignored it. They had the chance to get their cash monies but now they're flat on their ass looking for some place to live.

I don't have any direction in where I'm going with this due to lack o' sleep or something, but this stuff has been a bug in my ass for some time now and if you bring it up to anyone they just call you a crazy conspiracy theorist and tell you that the Government would never do such a thing. I don't know. I just know (because I'm going to reference a pen and paper RPG now) that the UCAS (United Canadian American States) in Shadowrun wasn't a peachy idea and that's just a silly pen and paper game. Blah blah, aggravation, blah.



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Re: North American Union
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2007, 10:55:53 PM »
eh, where do I start.  I think you both would do good to read some Locke - I think you'd enjoy it even if in the end it will give you a better platform to argue against me.  Just try understand that when Locke uses the word 'property' he is referring to a wide range of things ( durable goods, money, pocket lint..) and not solely the land under your feet.

also please try to understand that on many levels I agree with you .. the media is there just to entertain the masses, and it has for a very long time.  I always liked how in the former Soviet Union the government was very honest about how it owned and ran the media - here the line is much less defined - both the government and the media are probably at the whim of much larger corporations... Call it funding, lobbying, bribery or outright buying, these things are for sale.  Not too mention how our system is treating us more like 'items' than people - we're just units to be managed in their eyes it seems - not contributing feeling thinking individuals. 

But we're digressing.  The issue at hand is the North American Free Trade Agreement, larger highways and the departure from the US dollar.

To take on the first and last item to begin with, a couple of observations.  In second half of last century those living in the former USSR did not have the freedom to move about the country, and the trade and distribution of goods was tightly controlled by the Government.  Imports were restricted.  While between the 50 states of the USA we don't suffer from this, on the global scale things aren't so different from the micro scale in communist Russia.  For example, in the former USSR if we had wanted to move outside of our district we would need countless obscure and obtuse government documents - this is exactly the system we have if you replace 'district' with country. 

Perhaps for you your district (er country) is fine and affords you enough places where you might want to live.  I'm sure in the former USSR many people felt the same way about their situation.

So what is it that you want?  Do you want the USA to be some island where nobody leaves or goes to?  Is it  that scary that there are other people out there, who might think differently, who might have different values?  I guess I just fail to understand why it is people need the assurances provided by having people who aren't part of your tribe.

But back to the NAFTA and the dollar.  If you haven't noticed recently, the dollar is plunging like a rock.  For those not paying attention OPEC nations have been dumping the dollar for the last 6 years, not to mention China bleeding us dry while lying about the value of their currency.  A quick glance at the currency exchange rates should be unsettling, a longer evaluation of the currency trends should be horrifying.  If you think things are going to magically turn around, or somehow work out - I have news for you.  China owns all of our forex.  OPEC is going to stop taking our money at a preferred rate.  Manufacturing is failing at an alarming rate - take a drive through lower michigan and whiteness the disaster.  People are taking out loans for property that isn't worth half of what they're paying for it (the 350sq studio condos going for $130,000 next door to my 900sq 1bedroom for $700/mo?).  We're in a dire economic situation.  I know the Mexican peso pretty much sucks, but the Canadian dollar has been holding better against the Euro than we have.  However each of these currencies are in a much better position than we are - Mexico largely just owes money to us (oil developments in the 70s that were basically tabled after OPEC agreed to play nice again), and Canada's only failing is that we're their largest trading partner.  Merging the three currencies makes quite a bit of sense in terms of insulating the USA from the forex/OPEC issues.  Of course, I reserve the right to change my mind if the proposed currency does that crap that Mexico does with the bill sizes being all different.  That shit drives me nuts.


As for the freeway - yeah I dunno what's wrong with people - just put that crap on a train.  As for property - sigh - this has already been a long post, and there's probably enough material above for you to nail me to the ground for :) 


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Re: North American Union
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2007, 06:56:49 AM »
You never hear about this on the news. Living with someone who needs to have the T.V. blaring constantly means I get to hear the news all the time

Lucky you, I bet you know ALL about why Britney lost custody of her baby and how Paris is dealing with life outside of jail and that Anna Nicole is STILL dead.  News is useful.

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Re: North American Union
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2007, 08:28:59 AM »
i do agree with you guys, and this is where i do believe this is going, ever hear George H W Bush's speech about the New World Order?
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/Rc7i0wCFf8g&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/Rc7i0wCFf8g&rel=1</a>

thats the video from it, also did you know of a clandestine organization known as the builderburg group? i have a video for that as well
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/QJ2J3jDefcA&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/QJ2J3jDefcA&rel=1</a>

this is Alex Jones bullhorning the Bilderberg group, and I'll also find you a video of him where he snuck in and recorded the "cremation of care" this will shock some of you.
Bilderberg exposed - Part 1-6
Part 1 2 3 4 5 6
 
 Sorry if i seem to be a link whore, but this information needs to get out, I'm also trying to track down the link to the Cremation of Care Bohemian Grove ritual
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/sZD3WT3Vqa8&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/sZD3WT3Vqa8&rel=1</a>

and this is the American government officials, as well as several other nationalities, i know some think this is conspiracy but this is Documented proof that the Bilderberg group exists, as well as the Bohemian Grove. you can find more information from www.infowars.com and www.prisonplanet.com these are the websites that this information was formed on, and the guys from infowars are the guys that posted those above videos to youtube 8) form your opinions as you want, but know this, you have witnessed the truth, and as my reverend says at church, the truth tends to linger in the mind, it stays there hovering around, buzzing about, until you realize, "this is the truth" and you face the fact, that everything we knew before, was an Orwellian 1984 Pipe dream of the government, we are in a police state, and we must fight back, or else, we are left to the mercy of those that come after.
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Re: North American Union
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2007, 12:03:48 PM »
On the topic of Locke, what books would you recommend? I'm pretty sure that Locke is the single most influential writer on the founding of America. Being that I am an American I feel foolish having to admit that I've never read any of his stuff.

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Re: North American Union
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2007, 04:59:18 PM »
Hrm, good books to read about Locke - Honestly the few that I did read I though were really dry and boring, so I'm not sure they're explicitly worth mentioning.  One was "Second Treatise on Government", pretty much the popular one (about the only thing that's on Amazon oddly enough - what were we saying about how the media doesn't give us any real information?).   I also read a really good analysis but I can't for the life of me remember what it was called - its buried in my storage locker right now.  I want to say it was written by John Dunn but the only thing I'm finding is an introduction to Locke which I know I didn't read. 

Probably what I took out of Locke the most was the whole Social Contract bit, the wikipedia article on it isn't half bad:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract

You can get a used copy online for like $5. 
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Re: North American Union
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2007, 04:00:01 PM »
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