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Re: iPhreak: RedBoxing
« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2006, 07:57:30 PM »
Sorry, I am saying YOU are wrong. There are NO phone companies in America that still use ACTS. And COCOTs were never on ACTS to beging with. You can't redbox anymore. Nor for local calls, not for long distance calls.

It just hit me that what you are saying is completly wrong.  You can still redbox, you just need an operator.

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Re: iPhreak: RedBoxing
« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2006, 07:58:20 PM »
Sorry, I am saying YOU are wrong. There are NO phone companies in America that still use ACTS. And COCOTs were never on ACTS to beging with. You can't redbox anymore. Nor for local calls, not for long distance calls.

It just hit me that what you are saying is completly wrong.  You can still redbox, you just need an operator.

heard it all before. would love to be proven wrong.


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Re: iPhreak: RedBoxing
« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2006, 07:59:32 PM »
You just were.  When the operators hear the tones they always place the call for me.

As a matter of fact I just boxed three calls yesterday.  And I am about to go up to the local McDonalds and box another one.

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Re: iPhreak: RedBoxing
« Reply #18 on: August 15, 2006, 12:10:46 PM »
Sorry, I am saying YOU are wrong. There are NO phone companies in America that still use ACTS. And COCOTs were never on ACTS to beging with. You can't redbox anymore. Nor for local calls, not for long distance calls.

Hahahahaha *wheeze* *cough* *cough* *sneeze* *asterisk* ...eh....now where was I? Oh, yeah... heh heh heh huh huh hehahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

/cue the end of insane manianical laughing.

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Re: iPhreak: RedBoxing
« Reply #19 on: August 15, 2006, 01:11:10 PM »
Yeah, you can really still redbox for local and long distance calls. O RLY?

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Re: iPhreak: RedBoxing
« Reply #20 on: August 15, 2006, 01:41:40 PM »
heard it all before. would love to be proven wrong.


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Re: iPhreak: RedBoxing
« Reply #21 on: August 15, 2006, 01:48:22 PM »
What more proof do you need?  Get off your lazy butt download some redbox tones and go to a payphone.  You have to use a Bell or GTE phone and you must use a live operator.

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Re: iPhreak: RedBoxing
« Reply #22 on: August 15, 2006, 01:49:41 PM »
like I haven't tried. What kind of person am I?


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Re: iPhreak: RedBoxing
« Reply #23 on: August 15, 2006, 01:57:27 PM »
like I haven't tried. What kind of person am I?

You must have done something wrong, because it always works for me.  What did you use to record the calls?  Was it a live op?

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Re: iPhreak: RedBoxing
« Reply #24 on: August 15, 2006, 03:15:53 PM »
like I haven't tried. What kind of person am I?

You must have done something wrong, because it always works for me.  What did you use to record the calls?  Was it a live op?

this was about 3 years ago, I'd say. I tried w/ a mod'ed tone dialer, & I've tried with a CDR of tones. These both worked fine previously (So did the Rio PMP300 - this is where I get to brag about being the first person to speculate about portable digital music player way back in 1999 shortly after the Rio, the first widely available portable MP3 player became avaialble). Then they stopped.

But I will take your challenge, as the phones at my work are Pac Bells, I'll get some tones on my iPod and see what I can do.


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Re: iPhreak: RedBoxing
« Reply #25 on: August 16, 2006, 02:23:44 PM »
Let's see here... The entire idea of red boxing is replicating signals that tell the toll office that you've deposited coins. The signaling system that was commonly used back in the day is called ACTS (automatic coin toll signaling). As a thumb rule in network security, assuming a legit client is very foolish, in this situation simply because toll fraud would be much more likely to occur and toll offices would have less of a point of existing.

Now, that being said; who has power over if red boxing still works or not? The toll offices. "But this payphone is an ACTS payphone! It HAS to work!" Read what I just said. It doesn't matter how many times you send the damn signaling down the line; if the toll office switching equipment doesn't listen for that kind of shit in the first place, you're pure out of luck. Are we on the same page?

The real questions here should be these; do toll offices still generally rely on an old signaling system such as ACTS? If I get an operator to place the call for me, will my call be routed another way? If so, would my call terminate by routing through a toll office that actually relies on ACTS? You shouldn't all be arguing over if red boxing is dead or not (the fact is, with signaling system seven, red and blue boxes are old and generally won't work in most highly developed areas of the US. SS7, however, is flawed in other ways). What you should all be questioning is the way the toll offices still operate these days. The public switched telephone network is interesting for that very reason; you're always going to get a good mix of different things. But, simply to question your comments, are protocols that old still being used on such a regular basis like most of you claim them to be? I hope this stirs some interesting points of conversation :).

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Re: iPhreak: RedBoxing
« Reply #26 on: August 16, 2006, 02:49:25 PM »
I have a suggestion for all of you.

  Purchase a cellphone.

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Re: iPhreak: RedBoxing
« Reply #27 on: August 16, 2006, 03:03:25 PM »
I have a suggestion for all of you.

  Purchase a cellphone.

But breaking the law is sooo fun!

Anyway Devilz you do make good points.  But it even works in developed areas, and if you don't concider Orange County and LA to be developed I don't know what you would concider.  Stop using all this technical info and get up and go and try it, it works!  There is a diffrence between scientist and philosiphers:

Philosiphers sit and think if something would work.  "Leaves fall slower than a ball of lead.  Therefore heavier things fall faster."

Scientist get up and go try out the theorys.  "Lets get a 10 pound ball and 5 pound ball, each the same size.  And lets drop them off a building at the same time and see what hits the ground first!"

be a scientist!  Go out and Redbox!

Remember you have to use a live operator.

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Re: iPhreak: RedBoxing
« Reply #28 on: August 16, 2006, 03:10:12 PM »
I have a suggestion for all of you.

  Purchase a cellphone.

But breaking the law is sooo fun!

Anyway Devilz you do make good points.  But it even works in developed areas, and if you don't concider Orange County and LA to be developed I don't know what you would concider.  Stop using all this technical info and get up and go and try it, it works!  There is a diffrence between scientist and philosiphers:

Philosiphers sit and think if something would work.  "Leaves fall slower than a ball of lead.  Therefore heavier things fall faster."

Scientist get up and go try out the theorys.  "Lets get a 10 pound ball and 5 pound ball, each the same size.  And lets drop them off a building at the same time and see what hits the ground first!"

be a scientist!  Go out and Redbox!

Remember you have to use a live operator.

z09, I realize that. I never disagreed with anyone.

[edit] Ah, here's an interesting question; if this only works with an operator placed call in your area, why do you think that is? Anyone have any ideas as to why? :) (hint; I kind of gave it away in my last post.)
« Last Edit: August 16, 2006, 03:12:45 PM by Devilz212 »

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Re: iPhreak: RedBoxing
« Reply #29 on: August 18, 2006, 03:09:58 PM »
Quote from: rbcp on Today at 03:10:01 PM
Post recordings of it working.

Alrighty then.  After reading that I hopped on my bike to go to the local McDonalds (thats the only place in my whole zip code to have a GTE phone).  I lost my good coil mic so I was forced to use my crummy recorder.  Because it was near a drive through there is alot of background noise and it is kinda hard to hear.  The phone number I have to the operator was 714-467-3546 my calling card access number.  If you call it you will hear the recording.  After I place the call you will hear that same recording.

http://z13.invisionfree.com/Operationcactus/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=2772679

I used the PLA episode 1 payphone thing so you will hear RBCP "teaching his kids about finances" because I forgot to rewind it at first.