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Re: 1st post- i think about getting a VX7rs
« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2006, 03:41:33 PM »

Keep in mind, while you're probably not going to raise a ruckus screwing with restaurants every now and then, if you start screwing with police/fire/emergency or airport stuff, you're going to bring a LOT of attention to the matter.


When I first got my kenwood, back when I was in 6th grade, I got on CHP (California Highway Patrol's) car to car frequency.  My friend and I messed with them for hours.  We didn't do anything big.  We just keyed the radio blowing into it hard.  Someone would come on going 10-8 (thier old code for repeat).  Someone told us that the radio wasn't working and to bring it in.  Now that I am older I notice that interfering with the police is not funny.  I would never do that again.  It is like prank calling 911, it is not funny when somebody's life is in danger.  Don't mess with the police. 

PMS: I don't feel as bad doing it to the Highway Patrol, because all they do is give out tickets.  I would never do it to the Orange County Sherrif, or the Tustin Police Department.   

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Re: 1st post- i think about getting a VX7rs
« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2006, 06:36:12 AM »
I'm getting a VX-7R myself, both for legitimate Ham use, but also for the mod'd capabilities.

Kcochran, what class license do you have?


The VX7 does key up in the aviation band, however I'm not sure how much power it outputs there nor if it does so in AM.  The further you get from the ham bands the less efficiently the radio operates and the less power it will put out, especially with the factory rubber duck antenna.

Actually the power it puts out is the same, it's just that the antenna is less efficient. However, you can easily make a new antenna for whatever band you plan on working. A simple quarter-, half-, or full-wave antenna can be made out of a piece of electrical wire (the kind used to wire houses) and a small (4" square) piece of copper sheet for a ground-plane.  ;)


As a private pilot...

Wow. I've always wanted to learn to fly. Do you own a plane?


Messing with aviation frequencies is bad.  Don't do it.  You can put many others lives in jeopardy and you have a good chance of getting caught.  There are low earth orbiting satellites whose sole purpose in life is to monitor the aircraft band, specifically the emergency and ELT frequencies.  If you go messing with it, they will hunt you down and show no mercy.

True. I guess I should really watch what kinds of things  I say around here, lest I come off as advocating the wrong activities.
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Re: 1st post- i think about getting a VX7rs
« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2006, 07:56:38 AM »
Anyone remember several years ago when the police were trying to talk down a suicide jumper from a bridge, and some prankster started playing Jump by Van Halen over the police band?  Messing with police frequencies is bad, but you gotta admit that was pretty classy.

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Re: 1st post- i think about getting a VX7rs
« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2006, 02:20:21 PM »
Anyone remember several years ago when the police were trying to talk down a suicide jumper from a bridge, and some prankster started playing Jump by Van Halen over the police band?  Messing with police frequencies is bad, but you gotta admit that was pretty classy.

Yeah, that was funny but it was still evil.  Evil and VERY illegal.  By doing that you are just asking for a few years in prision.  If somebody gets hurt or dies because of it you asking for a life sentence.

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Re: 1st post- i think about getting a VX7rs
« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2006, 03:17:13 PM »
Yeah, that was funny but it was still evil.  Evil and VERY illegal.  By doing that you are just asking for a few years in prision.  If somebody gets hurt or dies because of it you asking for a life sentence.

Yeah, thanks for the lecture BUT I DIDN'T DO IT.  I'm just telling you about it and being all like haha.

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Re: 1st post- i think about getting a VX7rs
« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2006, 04:55:22 PM »
Sorry I Worded that wrong.

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Re: 1st post- i think about getting a VX7rs
« Reply #21 on: June 16, 2006, 06:17:47 PM »

The VX7 does key up in the aviation band, however I'm not sure how much power it outputs there nor if it does so in AM.  The further you get from the ham bands the less efficiently the radio operates and the less power it will put out, especially with the factory rubber duck antenna.

Actually the power it puts out is the same, it's just that the antenna is less efficient. However, you can easily make a new antenna for whatever band you plan on working. A simple quarter-, half-, or full-wave antenna can be made out of a piece of electrical wire (the kind used to wire houses) and a small (4" square) piece of copper sheet for a ground-plane.  ;)

I do not disagree that ham antennas perform poorly outside of the amateur bands, but the radio itself is a factor as well.  If someone has access to this radio, a Bird wattmeter and a dummy load and can prove that this radio can transmit a full 5 watts from 40-225 and 300-580, I'd be very amazed.  I know that the PLL starts to become unlocked at around 550 so I can say with some certainty that a full 5 watts is not being output there, even into a dummy load, or a telescoping antenna adjusted to a quarter wavelength although I wouldn't do anything illegal like that ;)  However, there is hope that this radio does in fact put out a meaningful amount of power on the aviation band, as it is quite close to 2m and even closer to the bottom end of the CAP band.  Also, Yaesu a.k.a. Vertex Standard makes a radio which looks identical to the VX-7 for the aviation band, and it's a dual band aviation and 2m radio in one which is quite unique for a radio commercially sold and type approved for VHF aviation.  The model is the VXA-710 (even similar in nomenclature) if anyone cares to look it up.  It is more expensive than the VX-7R and lacks many of the features which the 7R posesses. however one must wonder with its nearly identical looks how different the guts of it really is.  Is there just different software burnt into it?  Who knows.  It is this striking similarity which leads me to believe that the VX-7 could function well enough to be useful on the aviation band if an occaision arose where I had to use it there. 

As a private pilot...

Wow. I've always wanted to learn to fly. Do you own a plane?

No, I rent Cessna 182's fixed gear.  Those little planes, most a few decades old, are more expensive than people think.  $100k or better unless it's 50 years old and a fixer upper.  A new one will run you about $300k.  Renting isn't exactly cheap either but if you only fly once in a while and you're not independently wealthy, it's the way to go.  Our club's rental fees just charge by engine running time and includes the price of gas (100 octane low lead) provided you get it at the club's airport.  If you fill up elsewhere, they'll reimburse you the price at the club's airfield and any difference in price you'd have to cover yourself.  Having it go by engine run time is nice so you can take a vacation somewhere and park it for a week without worrying about being charged for the time it's just sitting there, besides the parking fees at whatever field you land at of course.  On the other hand, if you want to take a trip during a popular vacation time of the year, you have to reserve the plane pretty far in advance before someone else takes it for at least one of the days you had planned on having it for.


True. I guess I should really watch what kinds of things  I say around here, lest I come off as advocating the wrong activities.

It's mostly a CYA thing, but I draw the line at putting human lives into jeopardy.  I just think that a lot of these people who screw with ATC frequencies don't realize what could happen not just to them legally but to those in the air who rely on these frequencies to arrive safely to their destination.  Everything isn't automated yet.  There's still a lot of human involvement, especially if conditions are IFR.  When you're up there in IMC and you can't see a damned thing, that radio and the ATC controller on the other end of it is your lifeline to make sure you're not going to crash into anyone else in that cloud.  Those little radios on the ground might only go a couple of miles without a different antenna higher up, but for someone in the air it is not uncommon to pick up signals hundreds of miles away.  The potential is there to interfere with one heck of a lot of air traffic.  Let me also take this opportunity to let people know that transmitters can be found quite easily by direction finding or DF for short.  Hams do it often with transmitter, or "fox" hunts and you can bet the FCC and others have some pretty sophisticated gear to accomplish this.  Doppler DF systems can gain an azimuthal lock on transmissions of less than one second, and this can be done with equipment any ham could build in his basement for less than $100. 

So, in closing, have fun, but think first, don't do anything that could potentially cause another human being to be harmed and/or killed, and don't ever believe it's impossible to get caught.   

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Re: 1st post- i think about getting a VX7rs
« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2006, 06:57:45 PM »
I'm getting a VX-7R myself, both for legitimate Ham use, but also for the mod'd capabilities.

Kcochran, what class license do you have?

NO CAPITAL K!   ;D

Currently, I've just got the Technician Class license, which I got a little less than a month ago.

I'm going to get at least my General Class, and will probably snag my Amateur Extra as soon as I decide that it's time to learn Morse Code.  The requirement has been leveled to just 5wpm for both classes, only have to test once, which is easy, I suppose, but stuff like Morse has always been a pain to me.

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Re: 1st post- i think about getting a VX7rs
« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2006, 06:59:46 PM »
Anyone remember several years ago when the police were trying to talk down a suicide jumper from a bridge, and some prankster started playing Jump by Van Halen over the police band?  Messing with police frequencies is bad, but you gotta admit that was pretty classy.

Yeah, that was funny but it was still evil.  Evil and VERY illegal.  By doing that you are just asking for a few years in prision.  If somebody gets hurt or dies because of it you asking for a life sentence.

EVIL?!

Bah, it's a public service.

People like suicide jumpers that draw a big public crowd are doing it for attention, and don't really want to jump.  Police departments should hire a pusher, and get things over with quickly.

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Re: 1st post- i think about getting a VX7rs
« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2006, 02:27:28 AM »
Police departments should hire a pusher, and get things over with quickly.

To sell the suicidal people drugs?  Awesome idea!
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Re: 1st post- i think about getting a VX7rs
« Reply #25 on: June 17, 2006, 06:26:09 PM »
I've had my Technician license for a few years now. My dad (an avid ham) bugged my brother and me to get ham licenses ever since I was about 12.  I've been thinking about getting my General, but I really don't have much need for it.

I rarely even use my radios now. Lately, I've mostly used the license to operate homing beacons for high-powered rockets (in case the rockets get lost), so yeah I know about RF direction finding. I have a loop antenna and an attentuator that I keep for the purpose of locating lost rockets. Thankfully, I haven't yet lost a rocket, but I did once use the rig in a local ham club's fox hunt.

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Re: 1st post- i think about getting a VX7rs
« Reply #26 on: June 08, 2008, 02:19:42 AM »
hey all this is my first post here. i first saw the site about 1.5 years ago or so and thought it was cool though i never really visited it much. now i think im going to start doing some of this myself (i never even thought about the intercom system until i saw it here).

im thinking about getting the VX7rs - http://www.hamcity.com/Detail.aspx?ID=329 - i heard this is on of the better ones to mod (ive seen tons online too). im not sure exactly but, would this be the right setup to purchase and Hypothetically talk to drive throughs?

i figure this is the best place to ask and get help. thanks.

 

The VX-7r Is a great radio. It would do everything you want it to, and plenty of other stuff as well. It would be a great handheld rig to grow with. One of the great unique things about the 7r, is that it can be modified to operate out of the amateur bands using free software (available at http://www.kc8unj.com/) You could get away with a cheaper radio if all you want to do is talk to drive throughs, but if you're looking to get into ham radio as well, it's a great choice.
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Re: 1st post- i think about getting a VX7rs
« Reply #27 on: June 08, 2008, 07:34:38 AM »
hey all this is my first post here. i first saw the site about 1.5 years ago or so and thought it was cool though i never really visited it much. now i think im going to start doing some of this myself (i never even thought about the intercom system until i saw it here).

im thinking about getting the VX7rs - http://www.hamcity.com/Detail.aspx?ID=329 - i heard this is on of the better ones to mod (ive seen tons online too). im not sure exactly but, would this be the right setup to purchase and Hypothetically talk to drive throughs?

i figure this is the best place to ask and get help. thanks.

 

The VX-7r Is a great radio. It would do everything you want it to, and plenty of other stuff as well. It would be a great handheld rig to grow with. One of the great unique things about the 7r, is that it can be modified to operate out of the amateur bands using free software (available at http://www.kc8unj.com/) You could get away with a cheaper radio if all you want to do is talk to drive throughs, but if you're looking to get into ham radio as well, it's a great choice.

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Re: 1st post- i think about getting a VX7rs
« Reply #28 on: June 25, 2008, 07:46:02 PM »
VX-7R is slated to take a price cut at your local candy store as the VX-8R is coming out in a couple weeks.  I played with one last month and it's VERY cool.  Improvements include:

- internal ferrite rod antenna for AM/SW rx
- more power on 1.25m (1.5w)
- smaller, lighter weight (plastic instead of magnesium case)
- bluetooth (included although headset is optional, no word if it works with cell headsets)
- Built in TNC for APRS, plus option for speaker mic with integral GPS

It'll be interesting to see how easy this radio can be modded and what it's exact rx/tx coverage will be after mods.  Hopefully now that analog cellular is shut off in almost all areas of the states radio manufacturers won't be required to block cell frequencies (primary and image). 

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Re: 1st post- i think about getting a VX7rs
« Reply #29 on: June 25, 2008, 08:10:25 PM »
BLUETOOTH! FINALLY!

Yeasu seems to be ahead of the rest in providing this...