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Other Stuff That Has Little To Do With PLA => Techinical Shit => Phreaking, Hacking, Social Engineering, Lock Picking => Topic started by: Jordan on March 05, 2007, 07:11:07 PM
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I couldn't find a search button or else I would've clicked it. Can someone please guide me on how to make a truly anonymous call. I assume it is going to work similar to how a proxy server works?
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There are Caller ID spoofers out there. Example, if you wanted to call someone anonymously, you could make the caller ID show:
White House, The
202-456-1414
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You could use the * code for Caller ID blocker
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http://www.google.com/search?q=%22make+anonymous+phone+calls%22&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official
But I would just op divert
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=muT&q=%22op+divert%22&btnG=Search
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There are Caller ID spoofers out there. Example, if you wanted to call someone anonymously, you could make the caller ID show:
White House, The
202-456-1414
OR
You could use the * code for Caller ID blocker
So you bypassed Caller ID. Whoopie. Too bad you're still passing ANI on. You're not actually making a truly anonymous call that way.
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I've never done it myself so I may be talking from my ass as usual, but I read that caller ID spoofers only change the ID after the connection is established so it momentarily displays your real number before switching it.
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Twenty bucks says Jordan never comes back. Good job guys. You chased someone else away.
Post Script:
No really. Good job guys. It's appreciated!
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PLA Radio episode #12 shows an easy way to divert calls through phone company billing offices
http://www.oldpeoplearefunny.com/sound/plaradio12_32kbps.mp3 (http://www.oldpeoplearefunny.com/sound/plaradio12_32kbps.mp3) forward to 6 minutes
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PLA Radio episode #12 shows an easy way to divert calls through phone company billing offices
http://www.oldpeoplearefunny.com/sound/plaradio12_32kbps.mp3 (http://www.oldpeoplearefunny.com/sound/plaradio12_32kbps.mp3) forward to 6 minutes
Well,
I kinda agree and Kinda disagree with all of you.. in fact, I think there is a way to be completely unknown (possibly)
I am using several asterisk servers, and to termninate a call I am using a VOIP provider, what i have discovered is that when you change the outbound caller ID in the selected trunk to whatever you want the ANI will also change accordinally, although logically the VOIP provider have possibly a PRI line connected to a BELL circuit to recieve my packets digitally which will then are converted into analog signal using a FXO card to connect to POTS.
So yeah at this point My head head is somewhere stuck in the pots linbo. ASTERISK-TRUNk-PRI-VOIP-{FXO-POTS}, seriously we should look into this trying some other tests to see if in fact the telephone company systems receive and change completely the ANI
The spanish guy that is ussually in the bridge every night.
VoIPHead - Xhacker
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PLA Radio episode #12 shows an easy way to divert calls through phone company billing offices
http://www.oldpeoplearefunny.com/sound/plaradio12_32kbps.mp3 (http://www.oldpeoplearefunny.com/sound/plaradio12_32kbps.mp3) forward to 6 minutes
Well,
I kinda agree and Kinda disagree with all of you.. in fact, I think there is a way to be completely unknown (possibly)
I am using several asterisk servers, and to termninate a call I am using a VOIP provider, what i have discovered is that when you change the outbound caller ID in the selected trunk to whatever you want the ANI will also change accordinally, although logically the VOIP provider have possibly a PRI line connected to a BELL circuit to recieve my packets digitally which will then are converted into analog signal using a FXO card to connect to POTS.
So yeah at this point My head head is somewhere stuck in the pots linbo. ASTERISK-TRUNk-PRI-VOIP-{FXO-POTS}, seriously we should look into this trying some other tests to see if in fact the telephone company systems receive and change completely the ANI
The spanish guy that is ussually in the bridge every night.
VoIPHead - Xhacker
Oh by the way asterisk works with the cingular voicemail thing [if you know what i mean] ----I currently trying this thing also with another country's
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I just try to get my real ANI and yep is the same as the one i set up in my trunk..so...i wonder what kinda of things we can do now since we are tecnically bypassing and changing our ANI as we pleased.
And I think 2 be completly unknown, you must have a prepaid cc to open an account with a voip termination provider, then have asterisk set up in your laptop and using your neirborg wifi to connect your asterisk to the voip provider and use your softphone to make truly annonymous calls, umm I should try this to see what happend, meanwhile i will keep playing with asterisk while in the bridge.
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Or you could just op divert
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Wow, how articulate you are.
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Is that better?
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You could use a payphone or calling card. Spoofcard might work, I've never checked the ANI when using it.
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Well by using the payphone or a calling card there still a chance of being traced, because you had to purchase the calling card at a " physical store" unless you buy them online, although by doing this your IP is captured {unless you spoof your IP which is very simple} and you may also need a cc to purchase a calling card so there is still a link not counting that you still have to use a telephone to use this calling card, then if you use a payphone chances are somebody have seen you, or the lense of a survellaince camera have captured you. In regards to the spoofcard same thing as a calling card "a link to a physical connection is needed". and we this 2 methods you cant change the cname unless you use the other thing but will not help you with the ANI.
I think the VOIP thing is the closest to "remain unknown"
VoipHead - Xhacker
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Well by using the payphone or a calling card there still a chance of being traced, because you had to purchase the calling card at a " physical store" unless you buy them online, although by doing this your IP is captured {unless you spoof your IP which is very simple} and you may also need a cc to purchase a calling card so there is still a link not counting that you still have to use a telephone to use this calling card, then if you use a payphone chances are somebody have seen you, or the lense of a survellaince camera have captured you. In regards to the spoofcard same thing as a calling card "a link to a physical connection is needed". and we this 2 methods you cant change the cname unless you use the other thing but will not help you with the ANI.
I think the VOIP thing is the closest to "remain unknown"
VoipHead - Xhacker
I would think buying them at a physical store would be better.
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I'm telling you...PLA Radio #12. Billing offices offer completely free long distance and unlimited diverting. You could divert yourself through a dozen different billing offices if you wanted to.
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unless you spoof your IP which is very simple
Spoofing your IP for scanning with metrics is one thing, but activly spoofing you IP for TCP communications and HTTP requests in such a scenario as you are illustrating is a total different story and not considerd "simple".
A proxy would be more to your liking.
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Actually you are wrong in reference to ip spoofing...for one
Proxy is nothing, and whoever get a proxy to be unknown...they dont know nothing about ip spoofing, second by having a proxy many websites will be restricted to your access...not counting that the people or company who manage the proxy still get your real IP.
IP Spoofing..to do this the simple way.. you must first start by cloning the MAC address of your NIC card, the rest I will not say since there is a bunch of crackers here who I bet will try to spoof their IP address...all i can say is that is really simple to do this and many ways..also since we are talking about VOIP the protocols used to conduct this type of communications are different as well the ports used to do this...I will suggest you to do a little more research..unless you want to use port 80 to do voip???(it is possible but it will take a lot to do this).unlike IP spoofing my friend this can be done very easily and many way and if you want to be more anonymous you can clone your outgoing packets...
My 3 cents
VoipHead - xhacker - chicco
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I was under the impression that the scenario was ordering calling cards off of a web site and not for VoIP traffic.... you may want to watch your comma splices.
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I'm telling you...PLA Radio #12. Billing offices offer completely free long distance and unlimited diverting. You could divert yourself through a dozen different billing offices if you wanted to.
The third or fourth time Op diverting has been said. Not that you're paying attention voiphead.
Here's a video example Jordan. http://www.phonelosers.org/tv/prankcalls/ At about 4:09. "Remember when you're op diverting always eat Reese's!"
IP Spoofing..to do this the simple way.. you must first start by cloning the MAC address of your NIC card, the rest I will not say since there is a bunch of crackers here who I bet will try to spoof their IP addres
Try to be a little more condescending. I don't think everyone is getting it through your posts. Not to mention that I doubt there are any "crackers" on this site. Most of us have better things to do.
I was under the impression that the scenario was ordering calling cards off of a web site and not for VoIP traffic.... you may want to watch your comma splices.
That's what I thought he was getting at too. Apparently the point was more to be as condescending as possible so we would think he was 1337.
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IP Spoofing..to do this the simple way.. you must first start by cloning the MAC address of your NIC card, the rest I will not say since there is a bunch of crackers here who I bet will try to spoof their IP address...all i can say is that is really simple to do this and many ways..also since we are talking about VOIP the protocols used to conduct this type of communications are different as well the ports used to do this...I will suggest you to do a little more research..unless you want to use port 80 to do voip???(it is possible but it will take a lot to do this).unlike IP spoofing my friend this can be done very easily and many way and if you want to be more anonymous you can clone your outgoing packets...
Are you full of shit or something? IP spoofing is nowhere near as easy as you put it, and unless you have an incompetent ISP, you're not going to pull it off. If you're on a private network, IP spoofing is fairly easy unless the network is heavily managed, but I can assure you that unless you're paying for a nice pipe into whatever facility, what you're saying is complete bullshit.
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Ummm... No matter what port you use for voip your Ip will remain the same. If you want to use another IP completely anonymously the best way would be to use somebody else's wifi. Spoof a DIFFERENT MAC than your nic card. Then use a relay op to make your call. Don't know how to use your voip on somebody else's lan but it could probably be done. Maybe if the router's password is default you can forward the voip port to an internal ip and set your voip up on that.
If you buy a calling card in a store just pay cash and don't use it for a month. Payphone, wipe off your fingerprints ??? How would you get caught doing either is beyond me. There's no fucking satellite coverage over the payphones. This isn't 24. You're not pulling off the crime of the century.
Or just divert over and over
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Ummm... No matter what port you use for voip your Ip will remain the same. If you want to use another IP completely anonymously the best way would be to use somebody else's wifi. Spoof a DIFFERENT MAC than your nic card. Then use a relay op to make your call. Don't know how to use your voip on somebody else's lan but it could probably be done. Maybe if the router's password is default you can forward the voip port to an internal ip and set your voip up on that.
It doesn't matter if you change your MAC address or not.
Your MAC address is attached to your modem, and by a simple log search, if the abuse department wants to know who you are, they can search for that IP, then the MAC address belonging to that computer, and then the MAC address of the bridge that you use--in this case a cable modem or ADSL modem. In order to get away with it, you're better off either using someone else's connection or proxy-ing around. You could attempt to change the MAC of your bridge, but then you'll likely lose connection or set off some alarms.
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Let's say you get busted. If your NIC's MAC address matches the 'abusing' MAC address that would be pretty damning evidence I would think.
Edit: To clarify, we're assuming you're using somebody ELSE's wireless network. There would be no point to spoofing it on your own. I guess that's what you were saying
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I just try to get my real ANI and yep is the same as the one i set up in my trunk..so...i wonder what kinda of things we can do now since we are tecnically bypassing and changing our ANI as we pleased.
What are you using to find out your ANI?
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This is all too much effort. I'm never making an anonymous call again.
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Yeah I think you guys are going a bit overboard here (you forgot to mention http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Terminal_Equipment or a similar scrambler).
Unless you're calling in bomb threats or some crazy thing like that I wouldn't worry about it. I was getting paranoid myself making prank calls from a payphone then I realized that the average person won't even get around to finding out that that is a payphone number before giving up.
Even if they DID realize what that number was, and then gave it to the cops, I'd bet the cops would just BS them for a while then throw out the case.
I'd bet that OP diverting (or even simple voIP system that gives your number as being in a different state, or in my case a different country) is far more than sufficient for standard PLA-shenanigans.
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no more comments about IP spoofing...all I can say is before you comment on IP spoofing, do yourself a favor research a little bit more. anyways...going back to the anonymous calls subject...I found out that if you change the number on your IAX2 trunk or SIP trunk to a toll free number the real originating phone number from the provider will in fact show up on the caller ID as well it will be pickup by ANI, but using a working landline will bypass ANI as well will change the caller ID accordinally.
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no more comments about IP spoofing...all I can say is before you comment on IP spoofing, do yourself a favor research a little bit more.
Considering that I work for an ISP, all I can say is read up on things before you comment.
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Considering that I own 2 phones and one of them is a cordless, I think I am the expert here
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Voiphead: What are you using to get your ANI?
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Maybe that's why it's so fucking hard to read.
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The above comment was provided to you free of charge!
I wish I had paid for it so I could demand my money back. This is America. And when you pay for something in America and it sucks you're supposed to get your money back.
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I'm telling you...PLA Radio #12. Billing offices offer completely free long distance and unlimited diverting. You could divert yourself through a dozen different billing offices if you wanted to.
rbcp, I've tried that method numerous times, and it has never worked. I've posted about it before, but no one replied :'(. So the quote below is from a post of mine, and rbcp, if you could answer it, I would really appreciate it.
[/quote] ...I tried [the method] several times, but the method never worked. I called numerous toll free numbers (in this case -800 and -888, if that changes anything) from a payphone at a Barnes and Noble store (I'm not exactly sure what 'COT that is considered). I always got the "I'm not able to do that, sir" reply when I gave them the number that I wanted to call, claiming that it was the shipping department. So here's my final question: What number(s) would be good to call and try this method on? Also, apparently there is a season to do this method. What season would that be? [/quote]
Also, to clarify, I used the same method that was described in PLAR 12. And sorry for all of the noobish-ness in my post.
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Hmm, you might try dialing the operator and saying "There's something nasty looking all over the buttons on this phone" or "There are a few buttons missing." I've done this a few times and they always dial for me as long as I'm polite. Make sure the 800 numbers you are calling are some sort of collect call service or something similar.
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Voiphead: What are you using to get your ANI?
In my case, I just dial 1 (800) 444-4444.
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yes sir..and also 425-906-3755 and i think is option # then 3.
But as I said before if you change your cid in your trunk to a toll free number or a number like 000-990-3334 or 100-000-0003 basically a non- existent number including a non existent area code apparently the real number to access POTS will show up instead the CID that you have assigned in the CID trunk.
And This have also been verified by me using my sister telephone number..where it shows the number that i have called from which was the number that i put into the CID field in the Trunk section.
Now this thing needs to be verified by calling a "service" which charges to the phone you are calling from to see if in fact this theory works!
I think i will try that with my sis telephone. meanwhile i am thinking of a service to call.My own mediocre attempt at humor has been highly amusing to myself.
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I just use a calling card