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Offline mrpeanut

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Re: I want to own the gun shop.
« Reply #30 on: April 17, 2007, 08:59:18 PM »
Alright then, let's repeal the laws of weed.

Shooting people is illegal. Smoking weed is illegal.

If you ban it, it'll happen anyway, right?

So, let's make drugs legal. I mean if normal people won't shoot each other, they won't do drugs right?

(I know what your actual point was.)


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Re: I want to own the gun shop.
« Reply #31 on: April 17, 2007, 09:01:16 PM »
Alright then, let's repeal the laws of weed.

Shooting people is illegal. Smoking weed is illegal.

If you ban it, it'll happen anyway, right?

So, let's make drugs legal. I mean if normal people won't shoot each other, they won't do drugs right?

(I know what your actual point was.)



Fine by me.  Legalize all drugs - cocaine, heroin, meth.  Put it in big buckets on the street corner.

But by the same token, allow hospitals to refuse treatment for assholes who OD.

Allow the hospitals to refuse treatment for assholes who were too high to drive, and smashed their car into a telephone pole.

You want the freedom, you've got it - but along with it, you've got the personal responsibility and the consequences.

Fair?

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Re: I want to own the gun shop.
« Reply #32 on: April 17, 2007, 09:03:33 PM »
Ok, but I'm not paying taxes for roads I don't drive on.

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Re: I want to own the gun shop.
« Reply #33 on: April 17, 2007, 09:06:06 PM »
Ok, but I'm not paying taxes for roads I don't drive on.

Eliminate the gas tax, and institute a toll system (obviously, such a system would have to subsidize side roads/back roads/etc, but it'd be far more fair than the gas tax is).

Eliminate the income tax, and institute a consumption-based tax (i.e. sales tax).

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Re: I want to own the gun shop.
« Reply #34 on: April 17, 2007, 09:12:38 PM »
John Stuart Mill was a fag.

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Re: I want to own the gun shop.
« Reply #35 on: April 17, 2007, 09:23:09 PM »
John Stuart Mill was a fag.

Didn't know who he was until now.

Seems like he was someone intelligent early in life, and gradually lost his marbles.

Free markets are good.  Capitalism is good.

Socialism is bad.

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Re: I want to own the gun shop.
« Reply #36 on: April 17, 2007, 09:35:33 PM »
Back to the topic here....you can have my forum..and my gun...when you can pry it from my cold dead fingers!  Don't make me go into the President's Speech in Independence Day!

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Re: I want to own the gun shop.
« Reply #37 on: April 17, 2007, 09:50:30 PM »
set phasers to lame

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Re: I want to own the gun shop.
« Reply #38 on: April 17, 2007, 10:06:59 PM »
Allow hospitals to deny care to those who have overdose? This would be an extremely ludacris choice. How would a hospital be able to determine the OD's origins? Say your brother accidentally ODs on that speed you kept hidden in your aspirin container. Should be be denied care? Any hospital would be liable for turning away a patient that could be mistaken for a drug user, when in fact the symptoms were caused by some other problem. The hospital should not have the right to deny a patient in urgent need of care under any circumstances, they are there essentially to prevent death and not to determine who gets to live and die. Sure, it may make insurance costs go up for those of us who are fortunate enough to have it, but this is necessary in our economy if you wish to have the standard of health care that is available to us.

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Re: I want to own the gun shop.
« Reply #39 on: April 17, 2007, 10:09:30 PM »
Wow calm down there spaz-bite.

The current presidency couldn't be farther from the libertarian party, so no worries brotha.

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« Reply #40 on: April 17, 2007, 10:38:09 PM »
Also, I feel that legalizing drugs would not have any effect on the level of personal responsibility of the users. Any individual that takes drugs and operates a vehicle, kills someone, etc.. is responsible for their actions according to the law. Any person who operates a vehicle while drunk is no different from a person that shot up a bunch of heroin and tried to drive in terms of operating a vehicle while intoxicated.  Both are committing a crime, which is that of unsafely operating a vehicle. Now, for those people who do not operate a vehicle or commit any type of other crime, and drink are left to their own devices. A person who shoots up heroin will be hunted and prosecuted. I feel that the crime should only be specified by the action which inflicts harm or danger externally on society. Heroin is a drug that is horrible for you, and there should likely be no situation in which a person takes it for medicinal value, but due to its extreme taboo and its status as a highly illegal drug, it pushes the control of it down to some individuals with extremely poor ethics. It is common practice for drugs such as heroin to be combined with other chemicals in order to increase the mass by which it is sold. These people are a unnecessary evil in a society which tries to forget about people who have been ushered into the lower ranks of society, and the drugs in which they are dependent unbiased  on are generally have extreme risks in which they tend to pursue through any means in order to aquire. The war on drugs does nothing to help these people who follow such a path, by outlawing any persons drug of choice, it will generally just cause them to break the law. Through the means by which an addict will use to acquire drugs are generally the causes of external crimes in which drug addicts are generally associated with. Government distribution or at least relative availability of clean drug sources for addicts would ruin the business prospects of those who seek to exploit this aspect of society for their own personal gain. The fact remains is that drugs have been banned is essentially an act of reducing the liberties of your own personal lives. The goverment has made the decision for you about what you can and cannot put into your body, I feel that this should be a choice made by each individual given that they have the proper unbiased education before it is made available to them. Some people claim that this is a necessity of morality or civil responcibility, but these same people tend to believe just about everything they hear through propoganda about drugs. The war on drugs is an extreme misappropriation of funds, as all it does is spend money trying to fight an individuals personal health choice. In reality, it is generally due to the opposition of America's larger economic forces. Many pharmaceutical  lobbies prefer to not have a free alternative to their medicines readily available to anyone who wishes to grow it such as in the case of marijuana.


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Re: I want to own the gun shop.
« Reply #41 on: April 17, 2007, 10:52:31 PM »
Well when they outlawed booze, the only people drinking were the ones that wanted to drink.

I think.

Anyway, follow me, if heroin is legal, than Johnny Q. Asshole might decide to try it and go drive to the park.

Normally, being that he hates talking to the rastas in central, he wouldn't be able try to heroin.


This would fucking suck for Mr.Asshole, the kid he hit and the store where he scored the smack.

Nobody will want to deal with that.



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« Reply #42 on: April 17, 2007, 11:58:29 PM »
Oh, prohibition was also perhaps the single greatest factor in giving organized crime the power it has had in the past. Also, with your asshole example, you could easily replace heroin with a legal substance such as alcohol and achieve identical results. Although you would have to disregard the standard effects of heroin making its users virtually unable to perform virtually all activities while they are under the influence, let alone a complex activity such as driving into a park. This would only be likely in most cases if say... they left the car running, in drive, foot on the gas, with the car pointed at a park.. then shot up. Liquor on the other hand pretty much influences people to attempt such things with a very high frequency. If heroin was legal, I predict there would still be less traffic accidents caused by it than liquor.

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Re: I want to own the gun shop.
« Reply #43 on: April 18, 2007, 03:37:15 AM »
Organized Crime > Today's Crime

Solution = ban booze, legalize heroin

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Re: I want to own the gun shop.
« Reply #44 on: April 18, 2007, 05:03:29 AM »
Back to the topic here....you can have my forum..and my gun...when you can pry it from my cold dead fingers!  Don't make me go into the President's Speech in Independence Day!

Bill Pullman didn't say that, Charlton Heston did.

And, I don't seriously think that I'm going to get your forum.  Just like I don't seriously think rbcp is going to ban me because YOU asked him to.

He's not my lapdog, and he's certainly not yours.

Hey, are you legally allowed to purchase firearms yet, or does mommy and daddy have to buy them all for you?