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Other Stuff That Has Little To Do With PLA => General Discussions => Ask Anyone => Topic started by: Andy Hedgehog on October 03, 2007, 05:35:02 PM
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Okay, I was ust wondering, How much potential trouble could I get into for using a stolen credit card number online, I have no arrests (so far) and live in the state of Texas, how much jail time/fines could I get if I'm caught? (I havent used the number so far, and want to know the risk I'm taking here)
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Probably nothing, I read in Frank Abagnale's book "Stealing your Life" that nobody wants to spend the money to catch low-lives who steal credit card numbers and shit. In fact I think he said that the FBI has a standing order not to pursue people who rip off under a certain dollar amount, like 2000 or something like that.
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What about when it's the local police department's new "computer crime" guy who's really anxious to bust someone in their small town? It's not that unlikely that someone could put time and effort into tracking down someone who just stole a few hundred dollars.
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If they were stupid enough to let their card # get stolen, they deserve to have a few extra purchases made. I'm sure the government would agree.
Go wild.
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They'll never catch you. They won't make any attempt. It's totally worth it. The risk is small. You have so much to gain.
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My local book store didn't have a copy of the criminal code of Canada available (so much for the 'ignorance of the law' argument) and the online one annoys me, but my roughly ten year old copy says that you could get ten years for it. They were really harsh with a lot of fucked up things back then, I hope they didn't actually enforce most of it.
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don't order shit online. where you gonna have it shipped, ur house? Goto walmart, buy a ps3 and use the self checkout. sell it on ebay if ya want the cash.
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don't order shit online. where you gonna have it shipped, ur house? Goto walmart, buy a ps3 and use the self checkout. sell it on ebay if ya want the cash.
That'd be a great idea if self checkout lanes would allow you to just enter in a number without needing the actual card.
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A friend of mine said that years ago her mom used to order chinese food with stolen numbers, do restaurants take numbers over the phone ever?
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A friend of mine said that years ago her mom used to order chinese food with stolen numbers, do restaurants take numbers over the phone ever?
I tried it with pizza once and they said that even though they would take the number over the phone, the delivery driver would still need to see the card when he arrived.
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I tried it with pizza once and they said that even though they would take the number over the phone, the delivery driver would still need to see the card when he arrived.
Same, but when the pizza arrives, the delivery person has never asked for it, nor do they have a slip that says what number supposed to be and even if they did, you could make a non-working replica of the card.
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I never use cash when I order something. I can think of one time when the driver wanted to see my card, and that's because he entered in the numbers incorrectly the first couple times and thought I had just made one up.
Your best bet is to get the card # onto something like a hotel keycard and THEN go use it at a self check-out.
Or, you can just sell the # to some Nigerian scammers. Granted, they're going to pay you in fake money orders, but hey. It's the thought that counts, right?
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Something that you could do with stolen numbers is sell stuff to yourself on e-bay.
Or lose money to yourself in an online poker room.
But you have to be careful that the logs on the sites don't show the same I.P. for the buyer\seller or winner\loser. So do it from 2 different computers. preferably one would be behind a NAT gateway like at a coffee shop.
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Or lose money to yourself in an online poker room.
That's called dumping and they watch pretty closely for that.
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I think selling credit card numbers could be the safest way to profit from them.
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I tried it with pizza once and they said that even though they would take the number over the phone, the delivery driver would still need to see the card when he arrived.
Same, but when the pizza arrives, the delivery person has never asked for it, nor do they have a slip that says what number supposed to be and even if they did, you could make a non-working replica of the card.
when i order pizza over the phone he just asks for the numbers, and when the deliver guy comes, i just sign the paper. they never get the card.
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That's called dumping and they watch pretty closely for that.
yeah it can get to being a pretty hairy juggling act, but if you lose to more people than yourself you'll be alright, and of course don't keep doing it, that's completely obvious. But all in all it's a pretty hard way to make GOOD money for more reasons than that. You have to have a transfer account that can handle the higher stakes tables in the first place.
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That's called dumping and they watch pretty closely for that.
yeah it can get to being a pretty hairy juggling act, but if you lose to more people than yourself you'll be alright, and of course don't keep doing it, that's completely obvious. But all in all it's a pretty hard way to make GOOD money for more reasons than that. You have to have a transfer account that can handle the higher stakes tables in the first place.
Trust me. Unless you wanna get ZeeJustine'd, don't dump at the poker table.
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Whodat?
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That's called dumping and they watch pretty closely for that.
yeah it can get to being a pretty hairy juggling act, but if you lose to more people than yourself you'll be alright, and of course don't keep doing it, that's completely obvious. But all in all it's a pretty hard way to make GOOD money for more reasons than that. You have to have a transfer account that can handle the higher stakes tables in the first place.
Trust me. Unless you wanna get ZeeJustine'd, don't dump at the poker table.
Yeah, but it seems like that was that guy's only hussle, I mean come on why the fuck would anyone think that if they kept doing that they wouldn't get caught. It's pretty obvious. I.P. addresses, log in names, Bank accounts, date time stamps, or even the occasional bank and/or ATM camera would be enough to catch anyone. Look, I'm not condoning this as being away to make a living, unless you would like wearing a state jumpsuit. But it has, and is being done on a daily basis. I've never seen anyone in my circle of friends get caught, but they're not fucking retarted either, or impatient. As with most things it seems that the proper appllication of time, risk management(use cases), and common sense will prove to be the most effective tools at the disposal of the would be carder.
Edit: Formatted for readability. You're welcome.
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Holy doesn't-know-jack-shit-about-quoting-things-on-this-here-forum-thang Batman!
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Holy doesn't-know-jack-shit-about-quoting-things-on-this-here-forum-thang Batman!
Words just can't express how much I love you, so I'll say it in l33t points.
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don't order shit online. where you gonna have it shipped, ur house? Goto walmart, buy a ps3 and use the self checkout. sell it on ebay if ya want the cash.
no, you ship it to the empty houses that real estate owners advertise so nicely.
just leave a not that says something to the effect of "UPS, Im at work, leave deliveries on the porch. thanks!"
thats all it takes.
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instead of carding now, i prefer to take advantage of Radio Shack's internal stock transfers ;)
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What's with all the thread res lately? I think this forum might have an infection of the T-Virus. Someone should call Milla Jovovich.
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Blame it on the rain that was falling, falling
Blame it on the stars that did shine at night
Whatever you do don't put the blame on you
Blame it on the rain yeah yeah
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Since these are semi-legit resurrections, I'm going to allow it.
I think my favorite card scam still has to be getting card info and encoding it onto hotel keycards or other gift cards.
But yeah, credit card fraud is one of those things that is so easy to have it catch up with you that it's almost not worth it. Still, it seems like there are some true idiots who are completely reckless and will get away with it easily. You just need to know when to stop, and then to stop sooner than that.
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Since these are semi-legit resurrections, I'm going to allow it.
I think my favorite card scam still has to be getting card info and encoding it onto hotel keycards or other gift cards.
But yeah, credit card fraud is one of those things that is so easy to have it catch up with you that it's almost not worth it. Still, it seems like there are some true idiots who are completely reckless and will get away with it easily. You just need to know when to stop, and then to stop sooner than that.
or not be an ass and actually pay the 11.99 for the god damned pizza
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I'm not condoning card fraud. I'm just saying people who create restrictions generally have a better chance of getting away with it. I've had my card info stolen already, so I know how much it sucks to be the victim. It took almost a year for all the charges to be reversed, and I still had to pay interest the entire time the debate was going on.
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Since these are semi-legit resurrections, I'm going to allow it.
thanks a bunch
I think my favorite card scam still has to be getting card info and encoding it onto hotel keycards or other gift cards.
Yeah, I practically invented that
The hard part is not going to the grocery store and accidentally opening the door to your momo.
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Pron?
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If you're dumb enough to let all of your money depend on a number than anyone can get, well, you basically deserve to be ripped off. Keep your money under the mattress!
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dude I'm gonna start up a I love zewb site so the poor guy can catch a break.
who the fuck r u? way to cool or what? if you had any klew
what teh fuck you were talking about you wouldn't be flaming
lamers on teh forumz...
oh, shit i guess i could take that advice myself
but really dude he's just a kid, and maybe if you had something
to offer him, youd be doing that right now, but
in your attempt to gain approval, you put down the same from others.
purdy lame d00d. i mean, weren't you the one trippin out about all the
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If I had a stolen credit card number this is what I would do.
I'd first off order something over the net using a computer specifcally not in my home. Maybe somebodies that you don't like very much. Or someones that you wanna get back at after all these years or just someone dumb in the first place.
Find a home that is either up for sale or abandoned that doesn't look abandoned or extremely run down. Maybe a house thats for rent or an appratment complex you may be able to get access too insode the lobby or by the front door.
Order your stuff online and use that address as the plave you are having it delivered too. You also have to make sure you have the address that belongs to that card as well for some places on the internet.
After you finish ordering, if you have the chance to have it delivered by UPS or FedEx, Purolator any of those with next day service or 3 day service use one of those. If its ground its gonna take 3 days to a week. Depending on what you chosse should also depend on what kind of place you wanna send that item to as well.
Just dig around a bit and keep an eye on the mail system and how it works in the area you are sending the item too. What time does the mailman come by usually, phone US Postal ask how long it usually takes for mail to be send within the US from one place to another.
If you have no choice but to have it sent ground chances are you're gonna need ID to pick it up and if not make sure its being sent to a home address of an abandoned home or one that is not occupied but looks like it is.
Just do some digging, but use your head.
Its a 10 yr jail sentence for credit card fraud, and 15 yr federal crime for mail fraud as well. So you'd be looking at 25 yrs plus what ever else they tack on as well for theft.
I don't condone it but damn its one hell of a way to get some nice shit.
Leave me a message on my answering machine and I'll hit you back when I can
(204) 219-9939
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sometimes i think of carding as a fine art, other times i think of it as mere chaos theory. one thing i did learn about carding was that the higher you go, the less chance of getting caught, hard to believe huh... besides the horror stories, like when Majestic, Lamer Joe, and Whitesword took Amtrak, and the train backed back up to the station so authorities could arrest them. one hit on one card, and not just any card will do either, gotta be a business or corporate card. make sure to get the Tax ID# assigned to the account, you'll need it, along with the last four of the holders social & cvc code on the back. now you've become Platinum Status! another thing i would do is use the cards for things that the card would obviously be for i.e Microsoft Corp Card = Laptops, and Electronics, or travel arrangements; Bad Boy Entertainment Corp Card = Platinum Jewelery!!!! United Airlines Corp Card = Chartered jets through Marquis or Blue Star Jet, you get the idea. but only use the cards once. and grab yourself a merchant while your at it, you'll need to know what you limit clearences are for each card. run an authorization for like $250,000.00 for starters, if it give you an approval code write it down... that card is good for $250k! Then get the merchant operator on the line to do a "charge-back", feed'em a story about how you only wanted to approve $250.00 and the button was stuck! give them the approval code you were issued and it'll be back on the card. peace!
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whaddabout bcss?
whats cooler than carding?
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What Johnnyhacker failed to tell you was that Hairball just got out of prison after serving a few years and change and now dressed up as the statue of liberty, handing out flyers to a muffler shop near Pittsburgh. The sad reality of carding sets in when they slap your ass with federal felonies.
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But if jonnyhacker says it than it HAS to be true!!!???
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If there's one thing I've learned from Trailer Park Boys, it's that loads of little crimes are probably a lot smarter than one massive one. Obviously if you do shit like charge thousands of dollars to one card, it'll set up a red flag. Those obnoxious 'anti-hacker' credit report services I always see on TV wouldn't be able to do jack shit if I only charged say twenty bucks to each card, and was smart about it. I've read that 80% of those cases never get caught, and out of those it's rare to be prosecuted (Frank Abagnale's book). I even read there that the FBI has an actual protocol not to bother with it if the monetary damage is less than a thousand bucks.
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What Johnnyhacker failed to tell you was that Hairball just got out of prison after serving a few years and change and now dressed up as the statue of liberty, handing out flyers to a muffler shop near Pittsburgh. The sad reality of carding sets in when they slap your ass with federal felonies.
Only to correct you, Hairball did not do time for carding. Hairball plea guilty to hacking into Proctor & Gamble, stealing like five hundred thousand Foldgers Coffee calling cards, then selling them on Ebay. Not credit card fraud.
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If there's one thing I've learned from Trailer Park Boys, it's that loads of little crimes are probably a lot smarter than one massive one. Obviously if you do shit like charge thousands of dollars to one card, it'll set up a red flag. Those obnoxious 'anti-hacker' credit report services I always see on TV wouldn't be able to do jack shit if I only charged say twenty bucks to each card, and was smart about it. I've read that 80% of those cases never get caught, and out of those it's rare to be prosecuted (Frank Abagnale's book). I even read there that the FBI has an actual protocol not to bother with it if the monetary damage is less than a thousand bucks.
True.